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post #1 of 52 (permalink) Old Jun 5th, 2003, 07:36 PM Thread Starter
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Racist crowds?

In the past people have tried to defend crowd reactions to Venus and Serena in terms of "cheering for the underdog" and have compared the situation to reactions to past number 1s. After today, however, it seems clear that racism definitelyhas something to do with how the Williams sisters are treated around the world -- of course crowds are naturally going to want the underdog to win, but you would have NEVER seen this type of treatment by a crowd to Graf or Navratilova when they were number one.

Some might say that the Williams sister's attitudes lead to further resentment by these crowds -- their lack of respect for opponents for example. Steffi, however, rarely gave her opponents the respect they deserved -- the outcome of the match, in her opinion, always seemed to be a simple function of how well SHE played. Still, Graf was never treated like this.

I'm not saying that the people in these crowds are KNOWINGLY racist, but racism seems to be evident in the double standard that exists.
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So if crowd supports Williams opponent they are automaticly racists. Oh please.
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Please delete this thread. The crowd was RUDE! Racist, I didn't get that, and I watched the entire match.

Steffi was right, if she played well she rarely lost.

Serena was clearly outplayed in the first set, got rattled barely composed herself to win the second, and let the crowd and justine's unsportsmanlike conduct get to her. She didn't rise the occ. like so many champions, and she herself has done in the past.

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No I really do not think the crowd was racist, although they were out of line. In her interview, Serena said that she didn't think the crowd was racist either.
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Korben that's a typical response. Tell me why this could NOT be the case. Well?!

They are black, charismatic, intimidating and female.

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no, just rude...worse behavior has been shown by French crowds in the past...passionate yes, classy, no
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post #7 of 52 (permalink) Old Jun 5th, 2003, 08:07 PM
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Anti-American racist - could be argued for, if intoxicated.

Just pro-local.

I loved it. They'd get louder and louder during a point and then people would yell "sh!". Great to see people getting so involved. Maybe Williams fans don't revognise it because matched involving the 2 are usually so boooooring and uninvolving, everyone just sits there trying not to fall asleep or cry with boredom.
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Of course not, white ppl like Hingis, Clijsters etc. also got booed by the French crowd in the past..

They just don't like Serena I guess..
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steffi was not bashed for not giving credit?

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that said I don't know if steffi ever got boohed of the court except in florida then

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Hingis is Black?

The crowd in Paris seem to think they are there to ensure that their person is treated properly to the exclusion of the other player. They tend to go off when players challenge the umpire against their players interest. Martina challenged the call (probably rightly) the umpire failed to find the right mark, pro-Graf crowd went mad. Serena, avoided challenging calls and did nothing but the umpire gave her 3 calls, checked them unconvincingly and was totally ineffective in protecting Serena. Crowd went mad and the intense support for Justine got nastier - but the cause was the change in the score not Serena.
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post #12 of 52 (permalink) Old Jun 5th, 2003, 09:28 PM
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Danke Anke, the difference between Hingis/S.Williams and Graf/Navratilova is that the former have reputations of being *brats*, whereas the latter do not. Dominant number one players on the WTA tour rarely receive more cheering than their opponents; and in Serena's case she has been the most dominant player since Graf, circa the late 80s. But when you're this dominant -and- a player who has a tendency to be bratty at times, crowds are going to be even more against you. I'd bet you a million bucks that if Chanda Rubin ever became a dominate number one player that she would NEVER receive the kind of treatment that Serena did today. Why? Because she's classy and has always been classy. She doesn't have a history of defaulting matches; she doesn't have a reputation for brushing off everyone in the lockerroom who isn't her sister or Alexandra Stevenson. She doesn't have a history of suddenly having mysterious injuries when she's losing matches in Grand Slams; and she doesn't have a history of rarely giving her opponents any credit. And so on, and so on.

In short: there are some major differences between Serena Williams and other former number one players. Just because Graf was never booed to the extent that Serena was today that doesn't mean you can attribute it to race. That's just sloppy thinking. The fact of the matter is that Serena has a personality which many find disagreeable and annoying (including myself). She may be able to kick her older sister's butt on a tennis court, but she has a heck of a lot to learn from Venus and other former number ones when it comes to handling herself, both on and off the court. Although she has improved in this area over the last year (the same way Hingis improved in the years following the 1999 French Open), I still think she has a way to go yet.

[And one final thing: when it comes to Serena Williams and racism, I'd say that there are more people who like Serena -because of- her race than people who dislike her -because of- her race. If you transplanted all her character traits into a white tennis player, she'd probably be as disliked as Irina Spirlea, Natalie Tauziat, or Hingis (in her earlier years).]
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Yeah, I bet. One of the most liberal countries in the world is booing a black tennis player because of her skin colour. Yes, of course.
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One of the most liberal countries in the world is booing a black tennis player because of her skin colour
Duuuuuh. There's no other reason for it.
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There were black people cheering for Justine! Even Serena did not think it was racist. I dont think it is racist. I think Paris is one of the most raically intergrated citys in the world (I could be wrong but its the impression I get from the time I have spent there).

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