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Could a white European be as athletic as Serena and Venus?

This isn't meant to be controverisial. IF people are immature, then I'm sorry for them.

We all know that Venus and Serena are athletes that are incomparable to anything that has ever graced the courts before.

True, Navratilova, Novotna and Mandlikova were better across the net, and Graf had better footwork, but these women were simply not as athletic AND powerful as either of the Williams'.

I say it now, I can't imagine a player of white European descent ever being born to grow to the size that they are.

Which begs the question, IF Venus and Serena do inspire more black youngsters, will tennis become like athletics, dominated by black athletes?
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You honestly don't think that Steffi wasn't on the same level athletically?

White's who use black athleticism as an excuse are just cowards.

In one of the first posts I ever made here I said, you could take the University of Miami college football team at stick rackets in their hands and they won't win a set in the pros or a match in a World Cup.

They are bigger and faster than whoever would be on the court or field against them, so why wouldn't they win everything?

If your fave's coach isn't Richard Williams, that's just her first problem...

I was there when the ALL BLACKS won the World Cup in 2011!!!

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You've gotta be kidding me!!!!! Venus and Serena were not BORN athletes. Do you think that maybe training on the court and off the court could have anything to do with why you consider them so athletic?

Players of white European descent and Purple N. American descent can be as athletic as they wanna be.

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i actually think they can come very close. and athleticism is not the only factor in tennis anyways. if you are 90% as athletic but better in other areas you can still win.

i think Pete Sampras or Navratilova are just as athletic and certainly more and more whites have been winning in all sorts of track and field. It is actually a phenomenon of the last five years that has gone somewhat unnoticed. All sports are diversifying IMO. Look at golf and tennis being more open to African Americans whereas NBA basketball now has Steve Nash, Dirk Nowitski, Jason Kidd, Stojakovic and Yao Ming as some of its biggest stars
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Of course they could if they worked as hard as Venus and Serena off court.
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This isn't meant to be controverisial. IF people are immature, then I'm sorry for them.

We all know that Venus and Serena are athletes that are incomparable to anything that has ever graced the courts before.

True, Navratilova, Novotna and Mandlikova were better across the net, and Graf had better footwork, but these women were simply not as athletic AND powerful as either of the Williams'.

I say it now, I can't imagine a player of white European descent ever being born to grow to the size that they are.

Which begs the question, IF Venus and Serena do inspire more black youngsters, will tennis become like athletics, dominated by black athletes?
sounds like more racist clap trap to me. Oh those black people are so athletic! They're just born that way! Nevermind all the years of training that goes into it. Athletes are not born they are made otherwise everyone and their mother would be winning grandslams.

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Zvonareva i believe proved something with her match against venus the other day.. she was fit enough to chase all those balls down that venus struck very hard.... Anything is possible with Athletics!
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By the way has anyone seen Venus and Serena's othr sisters? It stands to reason that they would be as athletic as Venus and Serena if were a genetic thing. They are average women.
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There are some body types that make it
easier for certain sports for example
short legs, a huge upper body, and strong
shoulders make it easier to be a good surfer
than a basket ball player. A nimble smaller frame
makes it easier to be a rock climber. Good lungs,
strong long legs , body type is better for sprinting
in cycling as oppose to the slimmer body type for
mountain riding up to the alps. In tennis longer
arms is an advantage than a shorter wing span.
If your shorter than a ability to sprint fast is
an asset. You can train to sprint quicker; but
different muscle twitch factors individual to each
and person makes some faster than others.

Venus and Serena are natural athlete's;but it doesn't
mean that all blacks are as natural of an athlete as
they are. What's the population of the US? With such
a huge population there's bound to be some individuals
superior in ability to others.

The other thing to note that for example where I live
now Singapore. Singapore is a city nation of about
4 million people. There's no real sports culture here.
Kids take 8-12 classes. Yes- 8- 12! There's no time for
sports. The key to success here is school grades. The
Singapore national sports teams feature alot of part time
athlete's such as police officers etc.. Nobody here is
particulary athletic because nobody encourages them
no family member, no friend, no school teacher. Sports
are for people who can't cut it in school.

The US, Russia etc.. breeds alot of athletes because it's
encouraged, and respected as a career. Back to the
original question..white European athletes? Off course!
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Yes, but the athlete will not come from the British Isles, Spain, Italy or France.
Look for the athlete coming from Germany, Russia, Czechoslavokia, former Soviet satelites and maybe Poland.
Scandanavian countries are a possibility, but even if they are female and not great, they will probably be quite cute. LOL

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Kim Clijsters has the physical build of Serena. She runs as fast, has better footwork, is more flexible, and equally as powerful.

IMO she is the best athlete on the tour. I think the Williams sisters muscles are so noticable that people take them to be stronger and more athletic than they are. Although I think the top 3 players in the world according to the rankings are also the top 3 athletes in the world.
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Is it just me who don't think Venus looks very athletic compared to most other top players? Of course, "athletic" could be anything that is related to the physical state of the players, so anyone can be the most athletic if you just define it to suit you...

"natural born athlete" is a silly concept if you ask me. As is talent. Everyone's saying Hingis was so talented. Who the hell wouldn't be if you started practising at 2 and focused on "technical" tennis rather than "powerful" tennis? Same with athletism... if you start very early and focus hard on muscles and speed you will undoubtly be very strong and quick when you're 15... but you still weren't naturally born that way, you were forced by your parents to become athletic.

Race has nothing to do with it.
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Some races do "lean" themselves to certain sports though. It's probably a combination of culture or genetics.

Not sure whether this applies to tennis.

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