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Finally, Cliff Drysdale says something nice about women's tennis

this is after Petrova bt Capriati

Cliff: "you think Women's tennis is predictable??? Hellooo......"

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Cliffy isn't the one constantly putting down women's tennis. He's pretty neutral in the true spectrum of things.

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i love cliff, he is ALWAYS the fair one and of all the espn broadcasters, he is the best one. I think he is better than pam and especially better than stupid patrick mccenroe.

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He's been touting Serena to win the tournament all week long.

Women's tennis is pretty predictable though. When you are just watching a women's tournament, it's ok tennis, but when you see them play matches back to back with the men's matches... It's another world. The women hit so many unforced errors and don't have the same variety as the men. I think that is the next step up. Power with the mix up of the spins and the accuracy of the men's game.
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i love cliff, he is ALWAYS the fair one and of all the espn broadcasters, he is the best one. I think he is better than pam and especially better than stupid patrick mccenroe.

Pam's voice should be destroyed as a weapon of mass destruction. (lol... I mean, if we could find it. )

Cliffie is all right, but he was better when he was with the Firey One. He's a bit of a whore though. He just gushes all over anyone who is winning at the time.
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He's been touting Serena to win the tournament all week long.

Women's tennis is pretty predictable though. When you are just watching a women's tournament, it's ok tennis, but when you see them play matches back to back with the men's matches... It's another world. The women hit so many unforced errors and don't have the same variety as the men. I think that is the next step up. Power with the mix up of the spins and the accuracy of the men's game.
Hmmmm....well the same reason you don't like Women's tennis is the same reason I stopped watching men's tennis...I find they hit too many UE,and they all play alike.
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squawk box - Just look at the stats; men's matches nearly always have better winners/errors ratios than women's matches. Let's look at today's matches...

The Henin/Schnyder match featured 62 more errors than winners
The Zvonareva/Williams match featured 88 more errors than winners
The Clijsters/Maleeva match featured 70 more errors than winners
The Petrova/Capriati match featured 76 more errors than winners
**Every one of these 8 females had more errors than winners

The Verkerk/Schuettler match featured 22 more errors than winners
The Moya/Novak match featured 50 more errors than winners
The Kuerten/Gaudio match featured 37 more errors than winners
**Verkerk was even in his winners and errors

As you can see, the women's matches have a far worse ratio of winners to errors (all of those men's matches had a smaller difference than any women's match)...and this was on a day with the best women's matches of the tournament!!

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That is unbelievable to me that you have that idea about women's tennis. There is far more similarity in the women's game, imo, and there is no question that the women have more unforced errors. Watching women's matches, I see error after error for no apparent reason except that the women can't control their power or are going for too much. Men have that too, but to a much lesser extent. Btw, When did you quit watching men's tennis?
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it doesn't matter, women's still have funner matches. They have errors yes, but they have drama. Men don't and quite frankly is boring. I like to be able to pull for an underdog in a match, but in men's tennis, there really isn't an underdog. Everyone plays the same style and same level. Its no fun. And also, stats dont tell everything. Men has better ratio because they hit harder and finish points off faster. Women work the points and has more rallys. You can only hit so many winners after a 15-30 shot rally. Think of it in math terms. Women has longer rally. So therefore, their probability of hitting an error per shot is higher than the men. That is why they have higher ratio of winners and errors.

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um, ok so one day's analysis of matches suddenly proves that men's tennis is cleaner?

what about all the upsets last week... one player had 101 ufe's in a 5 set match... who plays 5 set matches? yeah, I thought so.

it depends on the # of sets played... obviously, if there's more sets played... then usually there's more errors because players were out on the court longer! wow, if you actually think about it, it makes sense! I guarantee you that a 2 set match will almost always have LESS errors than a 3 set match. A three set match usually has less errors than a five set one.

we could apply this same logic to winners! hmmm... there are probably more winners in a 5 set match than in a 3 set one. and while I'm at it, there's probably more winners in a 3 set match than in a 2 set one! *smacks forehead* the results are astounding, aren't they?

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Well, I still like best of three instead of best of five. Why? In best of three, the pressure is on you immediately because if you lose the first set, you'd better not lose the second set.
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cariosity- jenglisbe was as talking about the winner/error differential. Hence, the number of sets is immaterial. It is the variance between the two numbers that matters.
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the point still remains the same. I believe it was Philippoussis that had the 101 errors and we know he didn't have 102 winners. there are bad matches on both sides but to say that one day's worth of play proves that men's matches are cleaner is totally asinine.

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It all depends on your taste. I, too, prefer men's tennis to women because five sets is real drama. Look no further than the top half of the draw's third round.

However, some people don't have the attention span to sit through 5 matches. I think the men have more variety than the women in general; in the women's game, for instance, most of the top players are all-surface players whereas that isn't true on the men's side.

One gender isn't 'better' than the other.

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I think overall Men's matches are cleaner then womens.....

If its a Womens math with a top player I would watch that over a mens match, however if we are talking two unknown women vs two unknown men, I'd watch the mens match
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