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It's not Kim's fault...

It's not Kim's fault the number of tournaments the Williams play to get their rankings.

It's also not Kim's fault that she is the only top 20 player left in the bottom half of the draw.

However, it is Kim's fault that being the only top 20 player no longer looks like a free pass to the Final, after today's performance.

You have to answer for Santino, Carlo.
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post #2 of 82 (permalink) Old Jun 1st, 2003, 07:24 PM
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Well, I expect Kim to raise her level of play. She raised it after the horrendous first set today, and she should be able to raise it in these later rounds.

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Kim was tested today, just like Venus and Jennifer were tested. Kim passed the test, Venus and Jennifer didn't.

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I don't know why anyone would blame her in the first place? Venus, Jennifer, and Lindsay all gave it and shot and it didn't work out. It worked out for Kim, blaming her for that is kinda silly.

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Given the choice I am not sure I would pick two hot aggressive players on their way to the top 10, or resurgent Conchita who can be almost unbeatable on clay and will wear you out trying to beat her, for my half. I would have prefered Justine's quarter.
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oh they will bash her for her draw anyway when she reaches the final. they do already all year, but who cares as long as she wins

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Kim was tested today, just like Venus and Jennifer were tested. Kim passed the test, Venus and Jennifer didn't.
I like Kim and I am glad she is through, but after the first set, Kim was in control. Venus and Jennifer had far, far toughers tests that Kim. I think Venus and Jennifer would have beaten Maggie too.


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Well whatever happens in the future, this match made me love Kim even more.
After that terrible first set, the way she fought back, her determination, her will to win. I love it!!

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I like Kim and I am glad she is through, but after the first set, Kim was in control. Venus and Jennifer had far, far toughers tests that Kim. I think Venus and Jennifer would have beaten Maggie too.
PLEEEEEAAAASSSSEEEEEE. GIVE ME A BREAK. This is a silly explanation. Venus and Jennifer did NOT pass their test and that does not mean that Kim's test was less difficult.
This sounds like inventing whatever argument just to NOT have to admit that Venus and Jennifer did not make it.

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PLEEEEEAAAASSSSEEEEEE. GIVE ME A BREAK. This is a silly explanation. Venus and Jennifer did NOT pass their test and that does not mean that Kim's test was less difficult.
This sounds like inventing whatever argument just to NOT have to admit that Venus and Jennifer did not make it.
I am not inventing anything. Venus and Jennifer were outplayed. All I am saying is, Nadia and Vera are tougher opponents than Maggie right now. In the second and third set Kim was not tested, she was in control.


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indeed she was totally not in the match and in the first part of the second set maleeva could easily have run away and she(maleeva) still got many chances to break back in the rest of the match and kim just stepped up at those points!

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at this thread. everything you said, is bascially summed up, that kim is where she is b/c of venus.

if all in all, you have to give Kim credit of her results with the point of venus added, its clear, although its not kims fault, you could say its venus' fault that she is where she is right now.
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I just know that people will say if (and I say IF) she reaches the final, that she didn't deserved it.
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at this thread. everything you said, is bascially summed up, that kim is where she is b/c of venus.

if all in all, you have to give Kim credit of her results with the point of venus added, its clear, although its not kims fault, you could say its venus' fault that she is where she is right now.
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IMHO, disposablehero's point is actually that Kim is not where she is because of Venus but simply because of her own qualities.
Sigh.
This kind of reaction makes me regret that Venus is out because I wanted to see a Kim-Venus semi that would show Kim's real value (which is still doubted by some).
Or it must be that I don't understand the English language well enough.

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IMHO, disposablehero's point is actually that Kim is not where she is because of Venus but simply because of her own qualities.
Sigh.
This kind of reaction makes me regret that Venus is out because I wanted to see a Kim-Venus semi that would show Kim's real value (which is still doubted by some).
Or it must be that I don't understand the English language well enough.
You are right, that is why I wanted to see a Kim-Venus match up too because if Kim had won people would finally stop bashing her.
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