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underachiever of course, but she was never going to win as many slams or more as Evert or Navratilova

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Ignoring her slam finals against Serena, the US open 2005, 08, 10 were well within her reach So yeah, she has underachieved a bit but still she has had a fantastic career.

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I think she achieved enough, at her best she was extremely inconsistent so 11 weeks at number one is more than enough for her, but she was very talented and capable of beating everyone, so 7 Slams with more than half of them coming out of nowhere after dozens of horrible defeats in the season she won them is also okay.

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Considering her abysmal results at 2 of the 4 Slams, her losing h2h against most of her rivals, and the fact that her athleticism covered up enormous technical deficiencies, she definitely overachieved.
Bitch sit!! Meanwhile undoubtedly, I believe she's an underachiever taking into account the timing of some of her injuries.

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Ignoring her slam finals against Serena, the US open 2005, 08, 10 were well within her reach So yeah, she has underachieved a bit but still she has had a fantastic career.
She lost against the eventual champion in all of them lol

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Overachieved. Only a few weeks as #1 - pathetic result for a player who won 7 GS. That means she coudln't play on high level during a long period.
For example Henin was #1 of the year three times. Not even a contest
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Overachieved. Only a few weeks as #1 - pathetic result for a player who won 7 GS. That means she coudln't play on high level during a long period.
For example Henin was #1 of the year three times. Not even a contest

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Overachieved. Only a few weeks as #1 - pathetic result for a player who won 7 GS. That means she coudln't play on high level during a long period.
For example Henin was #1 of the year three times. Not even a contest

Well she didn't play enough to be #1 whether it was from injury or study.

2000 she won 6 events but missed the first 5 months of 2000 due to tendonitis.

2001 she took the fall from the tour due to study commitments.

2002 Serena surpassed her and dominated.

These three factors explain her limited weeks at #1

Hingis played every week pretty much and was burned out by 2002 which explained why she had so many weeks as #1 even in 2000 or 2001 when Venus was winning majors.


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Big LOL @ bitter Hingis fans.

Venus never really got back to her very best after that bad abdominal injury she sustained at Wimbledon 03. Yes, she's had some flashes of brilliance over the past decade, but she wasn't able to sustain it like she was before.

I'd say her slam count is fine, but she definitely choked away a few US opens.
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It's hard to call anyone with 5 Wimbledons and 2 US Opens (more than anyone else on tour, NOT named Serena) an underachiever, but not counting the finals she lost to Serena, Venus let quite a few slams/titles slip out of her hands.

Largely, because over the past decade (apparently) she's been dealing with a serious auto-immune disease, and a SLEW of ill-timed injuries, but also because, despite her superior athleticism, she's not the technician/perfectionist that her sister is.

Career Grand Slam in your 20s? Been there done that. Career golden slam your 30s?
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underachiever of course, but she was never going to win as many slams or more as Evert or Navratilova
Well, you're right. But 10 was within reach. Would've been a nice number.

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As far as I'm concerned this topic has never been opened on TF.

-- I'm curious to know, if you guys feel Venus in her career is an overachiever, underachiever, or has she achieved enough?

Personally, I feel she's underachieved, contrary to majority of people here, I've always felt Venus was a better player than Serena. I don't understand why she hasn't gotten a career slam. Has seen in her results, her game fits well to all surfaces. Without a doubt, she is one of the greatest to play the game, I just feel that her legacy should be stronger than what it is.
She has 7 Grand Slams for ***** Sakes.. Venus has went past overachiever, and she is in the stars.

IMO, anyone who achieves just one Grand Slam is an achiever.

Shucks, Maria only has 4 Grand Slams, and Vika only has 2.. Maria and Vika both would be tickled pink just to have 6 Grand Slams..

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Definitely overachiever.

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Considering her abysmal results at 2 of the 4 Slams, her losing h2h against most of her rivals, and the fact that her athleticism covered up enormous technical deficiencies, she definitely overachieved.
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But people need to stop using the "if Serena..." excuse. Serena stopped EVERYONE from winning more Slams, and that's because she is the best of her generation. Venus just happened to be her sister.

If Serena didn't exist, everyone would have more Slams. Not just Venus. So, is everyone an underachiever?
Well, to a certain extent.

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Considering her abysmal results at 2 of the 4 Slams, her losing h2h against most of her rivals, and the fact that her athleticism covered up enormous technical deficiencies, she definitely overachieved.
Overall, I think Venus was somewhat of an underachiever.
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