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Is Kimmy the next Martina Hingis??

A few years ago there was alot of talk of Martina Hingis being number 1 "in name only". She wasn't beating either of the Williams sisters consistently but she won a bunch of other tournaments where they weren't entered.

Well, fast forward to 2003 and nowthere has been a lot of talk of Kim overtaking Venus lately, but IMHO it's in ranking points only. All you have to do is look at their head to head lately to see who is the better player. The fact of the matter is, the only reason that Kim is anywhere near Venus is because Venus hasn't played, i.e. 2000, or 2001. Kim beat Venus in Hamburg last year, but then the next time they played Venus withdrew due to injury. The last time they played this year Kim got dusted 6-4, 6-2. She was also beaten by Serena the last 2 times they played. So the question begs to be asked, is Kim number 2 in name only?

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martina hingis will never be duplicated. she was a spectacular, unique player whom nobody can compare to in terms or talent...that's all i have to say...kim would rather be known as the frist kim clijsters, rather than the second hingis...

but they both couldn't challenge the sisters CONSISTENTLY while they were on tour...thats the only similarity really...
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Its not Kim's fault that Venus doesn't play a full schedule to begin with and that Venus is injured. The difference between Kim and Martina is that at the time Martina was #1, Venus had won 2 grand slams for the year. This is not the case now, Kim won the championships last year and also has a tier 1 win this year. Unfortunately, Venus has not won a tier 1 this year.
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There isn't and will never be a "new" Martina Hingis. Case closed.

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Kimmy is the next Kimmy. Don't compare players to others in that way. No one is the next anyone. Each player has a slightly unique style and situations and circumstances are different for each player.

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I am comparing their situations, NOT their tennis styles. Sheesh! You guys really need to lay off the coffee.

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I am comparing their situations, NOT their tennis styles. Sheesh! You guys really need to lay off the coffee.
LOL...well in THAT case i say they are slightly similar, yes
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You answered your own Question. Kim has won 2 of the Last 3 times they met. So she is the deserved Number 2
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I am comparing their situations, NOT their tennis styles. Sheesh! You guys really need to lay off the coffee.
I understood your question.
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i agree that venus hasn't played much and kim has taken advantage of that. she is arguably the #2 player because put it like this. could venus play at the level she does for the amount of time kim has played? kim has played lots of tournaments and done well in all of them, if venus was to play the same amount of tournaments and have the same schedule (play tournaments equal days/weeks apart as kim) would venus be able to keep up her level of play like kim has been able to?

unless this actually happens we will never find out. venus maybe have a high level of play/quality than kim but she doesn't play for as long. kim has a lower level of play/quality but plays more tournaments and more matches.

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in order to b at the top of the game u have 2 b ready to take advantage of ur oppurtunities and venus hasn't done that!!! imo she doesn't deserve the no.2 spot
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Venus if ranked #2 deserves it. Just like if Kim plays alot and is ranked #2 and wins she desrves it too. Personally Venus is blessed to be able to play few tourneys and be ranked high. I mean right now in 2004 she will have some to defend but also have enough leeway to add add and add. Kim is alot like Hingis in that her game has turned into defense more so that offense. Kim is also ranked cause she goes deep in draws and plays many tourneys. She is also ranked #2 because Venus didn't play alot of tennis. Which of course is not Kim's fault or problem, but imho psychologically Kim knows Venus should be ranked #2 and Venus knows it as well. The thing is Venus has been there and done that and has even been #1 something that imho will be alot harder for others to accomplish as long as Serena is still around.

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i agree that venus hasn't played much and kim has taken advantage of that. she is arguably the #2 player because put it like this. could venus play at the level she does for the amount of time kim has played? kim has played lots of tournaments and done well in all of them, if venus was to play the same amount of tournaments and have the same schedule (play tournaments equal days/weeks apart as kim) would venus be able to keep up her level of play like kim has been able to?

unless this actually happens we will never find out. venus maybe have a high level of play/quality than kim but she doesn't play for as long. kim has a lower level of play/quality but plays more tournaments and more matches.
that was a very good point, but explain where the need is? for if venus had played 1 more tournie, (understand you could still arugue your point) Kim would not even gotten the Chance to look at number 2, so really you can't say venus playing the same tournies as kim consistenly would even things out. I think 13-15 tournies, if you have done as well as Venus Williams has done, w/out a doubt you should and can be at the top of the game, even ahead of someone doing good in 20 + tournies. Asking what is the difference? The Difference is, in just about all tournie comparison, Venus has done better than Kim Clijsters so far. And b/c Venus didn't play 1 tournie, and the other was Cancelled, her number 2 spot was given up. Now I could actually understand Kim deserving of number 2 if Venus had skipped like 5 tounies, than Kim would deserve her number 2 spot, but it is very clear, than b/c of 1 tournie, venus lost number 2.

And I don't believe with the quote of......."inorder to b at the top of the game u have 2 b ready to take advantage of ur opportunites........."
that sounds more like ignorance, when you follow it up w/ Venus hasn't done it, (1 tounie? pleazee)

The quote should be, inorder to get to the top of the game, you have to go through the top, consistenly beat them, beat everyone else, and hold ur own when you get there.

Something Serena has done, and something Venus has done, and Something kim has done. Serena owns the top spot, she beats everyone ranked below her, does not loose on a regular basis, Venus, same, but looses a lil more often that Serena, and the same thing goes for kim. Venus problem is Serena and Kim's problem is Serena and Venus.

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bananna, if u talk of taking opportunities then u forgot about Kim and the one's she lost as well.

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SerenaSlam, the need? it would prove how far apart the two players are and then no one will be able to say kim is #2 because she played so much or venus is #3 because she played so little.

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