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post #1 of 35 (permalink) Old May 5th, 2003, 08:48 PM Thread Starter
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Why Venus is number 2...and the most deserving ;)

Do you realize, that i believe since Australian Open 2002 (quarters) Moscow (R16)Venus has been in all semis or finals? I know its very hard to realize and surprising (not to us williams fans) but look at the Queen results!

2002
Gold Coast (Final Won)
Australian Open (Quarters Loss)
Paris (Final Won)
Antwerp (Final Won)
Dubai (Semis Loss)
Miami (Semis Loss)
Amelia Island (Final Won)
Hamburg (Final Loss)
Roland Garros (Final Loss)
Wimbledon (Final Loss)
Standford (Final Won)
Sandiego (Final Won)
New Haven (Final Won)
US Open (Final Won)
Moscow (R16 Loss)
WTA Championships (Semis Loss)

2003
Australian Open (Final Loss)
Antwerp (Final Won)
Miami (R4 Loss)
Warsaw (Final Loss)

That is 13 Finals for Venus, 3 Semi-Finals. Although yes she doesn't play around the average of everyone else on the WTA, when she does play, she wins, and she consistenly wins and gets to the semis or finals. This is why Serena is the number 1 player in the world. Doing the same as venus, but even better than what Venus has accomplished. Venus also won 8 of those 13 finals. And 4 of them to the hands of Serena, and the other to the hand of RETIREMENT to Amelie. Venus has shown, she has the WTA's number right now besides Serena when she is playing her game and well. In Finals, her only mental block has been to the hands of Serena and then Kim Clijsters in Hamburg (who she later on went to beat the next time they met, and is has 3 wins in a row against her right now )

The Queen has still got it. A lot of people on the Boards are starting to doubt her. But haven't you noticed? Venus continues to win when Serena is out of the picture? Had Venus not injured herself, i truly believe she would've won that warsaw title. She had won that Set playing bad tennis against Amelie's good tennis. So if Venus had picked it up, she could've pulled the win out still. But that is besides the point. The Desire is still there in Venus, and im really sick and tired of people writing venus off like she is starting to fall back.

Kim Clijsters, a lot of people argue with me on why she WAS DESERVING OF HER NUMBER 2 RANKING, but to me its clear she wasn't. Her results are no where comparable to Venus, her talent and ability is no where comparable to Venus.

Points wise, Kim Clijsters should be considred the number 1 points system player in the world. She plays a shit load of tournies, therefore collects so many many points. But still that isn't enough to overthrow Venus. Untill she gets to some Grand Slam finals, wins some matches and tournies over Venus/Serena, then maybe just maybe she is deserving of being Credit over Venus Williams. But right now, Venus has been far more superior than Kim Clijsters.

A lot is said of Williams Fans putting down Kim Clijsters. Call it what you want. I call it a case of the truth hurting your feelings. For Kim really isn't no where near as good as venus, and only got to number 2 b/c of Venus. And to say Venus got number 2 back b/c of Kim is wrong. Venus got that number 2 back, and added points to secure it. Even if Kim where to play Berlin and Rome, and say get enough points to pass Venus, she will wouldn't be considered in My opinion number 2, for Venus was out the picture. Had she been in those tournies, there would be no chances for Kim to even look at the possibility of number 2.

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All Hail The Queen!

Yeah I was About To Say That.

Venus either wins, loses to Serena, or gets injured
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Thank you SerenaSlam, good work.

I also to Venus. She is the one and only one winning or losing. She is still the Queen.

Always Venus.

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This isn't a new thing. Check out the stats since WB 00

WB 00--WIN
Stanford 00--WIN
San Diego 00--WIN
New Haven 00--WIN
US Open 00--WIN
Sydney 00--WIN
Linz 00--Runner Up
Aussie 01--SF
Nice 01--SF
Indian Wells 01--SF
Miami 01--WON
Hamburg 01--WON
Berlin 01--3rd
Paris 01--1st
Wimbledon 01--WON
Stanford 01--QF
San Diego 01--WON
New Haven 01--WON
US Open 01--WON
Gold Coast 02--WON
Aussie 02--QF
Paris 02--WON
Antwerp 02--WON
Dubai 02--SF
Miami 02--SF
Amelia Island 02--WON
Hamburg 02--Runner up
Paris 02--Runner up
Wimbledon 02--Runner up
Stanford 02--WON
San Diego 02--WON
New Haven 02-WON
US Open 02--Runner up
Moscow 02--2nd
LA 02--SF
Aussie 03--Runner Up
Antwerp 03--WON
Miami 03--3rd
Warsaw 03--Runner Up

In my counts, that's 6 events in about 4 years she's lost QF or earlier. Correct if wrong
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thats darn impressive!
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No.2 is very nice. But you Venus fans are becoming sooooooooooo excited about it, it just shows that you realize that no.1 is out of reach. Otherwise, you would think that No.2 is good but you'd want Venus to be no.1. But she can't, that's why you make it seem as no.2 is soooooooooo incredible. Nobody saids "hey I'm no.2!!! I'm soo good and this soo incredible!". People say "hey I'm no.2, I'm not fully satisfied, I want to be no.1! The best!". But see you Venus fans know that it will be impossible and that's why you are so excited about the no.2 spot, otherwise you would not be obsessing about it.

And do not bring up Monica into this, she's not in her prime like Venus is.
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No.2 is very nice. But you Venus fans are becoming sooooooooooo excited about it, it just shows that you realize that no.1 is out of reach. Otherwise, you would think that No.2 is good but you'd want Venus to be no.1. But she can't, that's why you make it seem as no.2 is soooooooooo incredible. Nobody saids "hey I'm no.2!!! I'm soo good and this soo incredible!". People say "hey I'm no.2, I'm not fully satisfied, I want to be no.1! The best!". But see you Venus fans know that it will be impossible and that's why you are so excited about the no.2 spot, otherwise you would not be obsessing about it.

And do not bring up Monica into this, she's not in her prime like Venus is.
Nothing is out of reach. Serena started 2002 ranked around #10...anything can happen. You sound almost bitter....
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all I'm saying is that the obsession of Venus fans over the no.2 spot in the last few days saids a lot. It's like "venus is the real no.2", "wow venus is no.2", all these posts show that this is what venus fans are aiming for because they know that no.1 is impossible. Nobody is fully satisfied with "no.2" but Venus fans have now realized that this is the best they can aim for and that's why they are sooooooooooooo excited about it in every post.
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Well Selesrules ... you're right and you're wrong at the same time! you're right when you say that it is not satisfying to see Venus stuck at #2 for almost a year now but you're wrong when you say that #1 is out of the reach ... rankings are just a mathematical issue. If Serena doesn't win at least 1 of the next 3 GS, the #1 ranking will be up for grab. Venus will have a real shot at it if she keeps playing at the level she's playing right now (without injuries of course). Kim's chances are little smaller bc of the high number of tourneys she plays (she always has to do better than her 18th best tournament to start adding).

I think Serenaslam wanted to show that Venus deserves her #2 ranking but also that she's not vanishing and still is playing like the #2 in the world. This feeling that Venus is over comes from the fact that she hasn't played much this year and lost early in Miami ... but she did reach 3 finals out of 4 tournaments played. And that's pretty amazing!

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I'm just saying that the way Venus fans are acting towards the no.2 spot shows that they have lost hope. Sure Venus can become no.1 again, but I doubt Venus fans believe this, otherwise they wouldn't have posted about a 1,000 posts on how "venus is no.2 and how incredible this is".
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I'm just saying that the way Venus fans are acting towards the no.2 spot shows that they have lost hope. Sure Venus can become no.1 again, but I doubt Venus fans believe this, otherwise they wouldn't have posted about a 1,000 posts on how "venus is no.2 and how incredible this is".
i feel its just natural,i mean she has just moved up in the rankings,any fan of any player will create a thread when there favorite has moved up, i mean there are many people who they know there favorites will never be number 1 but still post when they move up!!!
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yeah, but it's becoming an obession and very excessive.
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Selesrules ....you make a very good point! I never really understood the fascination of the rankings and "true" "real" etc for anything past #1. However, I do think that for some it matters only b/c it is guarantee that they will be on seperate sides of the draw.....at least thats my only concern....but then again I think maybe a WS semi-s might be in need.
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the girl has made her 45th final at 22 and she hardly plays

u can find more than one better player than her at the moment?
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and let me tell u a thing selesrules....

it ain't about the muthafuckin obession of Venus being number 2. What it is about is, lettin it be known, that clearly venus is number 2, and there is none other out there right now, physically, mentally, or athleticlly able to challenge venus for number 2. its all about you all telling us how Kim trying to get number 2 recognition that she IS NOT DESERVING OF.

Venus is number 1 material as well. But as you can see, from those stats we showed you, it wouldn't make sense to tell you fucks that "Venus is more deserving of Number 1 at these numbers" when you can take Serena Williams numbers 2 those, and clearly show that they are much better than Venus' and right now Serena is deserving of Number 1. But we can do that against everyone else on the tour and compare to Venus' b/c besides serena, there is not one other player out there that can even come close to those kinds of stats Venus has! That is why we say, venus deserving of number 2, not 1!

Right now, by the numbers and stats, serena is WAY more deserving of Venus, seeing she has played 5 straight slam finals and won 4 out of 5! And not only does she win the slams, but she wins the tournies as well!

Something else for you to take the fuck in selesrules, don't come in trying to tell someone something you "think" we are thinking in our minds, or think we are coming up with. No one said we were obsessed with talking about Venus and the number 2 ranking. What it is all about is the sheer fact, that so many of you on this board, are trying to put Venus down many many times, b/c she has lost 4 straight slams (but take to note she continues to win the tournies). There is no better player out there besides Serena to Venus. If anything, you all should be putting down everyone below Serena and Venus, b/c they haven't shown yet that they can come out and beat a healthy and on form williams (but I think we all know that Williams healthy and "on" their games, will be the winner every time) They haven't shown over the past year that somone not named williams can win a slam. They haven't shown jack shit. The only thing they have shown are the following:

1. They can only Challenge the sisters if they are OFF
2. They can only get wins from Injury (take note the sisters play through the match injured and loose. Tell me who else does this?)
3. They can only get wins from RETIREMENTS
4. LAST BUT NOT LEAST, FATIGUE!

The entire wta tour rely on these things going into matches. But when it comes to Venus/Serena, they don't rely on their players playing bad, or playing good, or if they are injured. Going into all their matches, its ALL about their games, not their opponents. Like it has been said over and over again, its not in their opponents hands, there is nothing they can do about almost all the shots coming off Williamses racquets.

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