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She misses her Dad 3 7.32%
She is mentally brital 2 4.88%
People have learned how to read her game 8 19.51%
Her new coach is making things worse 2 4.88%
Enrique is keeping her up too late 4 9.76%
She cant be bothered ie no motivation 8 19.51%
She has lack of self-confidence 8 19.51%
Some other reason 6 14.63%
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post #1 of 40 (permalink) Old Apr 22nd, 2003, 11:37 PM Thread Starter
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What do you think is going wrong for Dokic?

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post #2 of 40 (permalink) Old Apr 23rd, 2003, 12:16 AM
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Jelena is an all power baseliner. Yes she hits the odd dropshot, but her strategy every match is to whack the ball very hard.

And she used to succeed. But now there are many girls who either hit the ball as hard as Jelena and as consistently OR mix it up to the extent where she loses her rythmn and consistency.

Jelena's strokes are also very flat, there is no variety in them, and they can look fragile.

I think Jelena is an 8-12 player at best, until she improves her game, serve and movement. Yes she can move, but she isn't in the same league as Clijsters, Henin or Dementieva (her peers).
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post #3 of 40 (permalink) Old Apr 23rd, 2003, 12:19 AM
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I think its half her head and half her game

Hitting hard and hitting flat just doesnt work unless your REALLY good at it (see Davenport) but even if you are, people are still going to beat you (see Davenport) and your really vulnerable to those who have variety (did i mention Davenport?)

These days, more of an all court game is required.
Look at the top 5 right now
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I think its half her head and half her game

Hitting hard and hitting flat just doesnt work unless your REALLY good at it (see Davenport) but even if you are, people are still going to beat you (see Davenport) and your really vulnerable to those who have variety (did i mention Davenport?)

These days, more of an all court game is required.
Look at the top 5 right now
You mean, the top five, which includes davenport in spite of all her vulnerability?
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LMAO, not in the same league as Dementieva. hah that made me laugh. when you compare the 2, Dokic wipes the floor with her. nothing is wrong with Jelena. she's just in a rough patch, and stop it with these threads. everyone goes throuhg rough patches and some are always stuck in rough patches, ie. Stevenson. so just relax, calm down and she'll jump out of the rought patch.

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Probably a combination of all those things is why Jelena is struggling...

And it's stupid to compare Jelena to Alyona...
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yes

because shes really really good at it
but notice that she is at the bottom of that list, and more likely than not, she'll stay there
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because shes really really good at it
but notice that she is at the bottom of that list, and more likely than not, she'll stay there
Maybe she will, maybe she won't. I still don't think she's playing like she did before her injury. When and if she does, she won't stay at #5.
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I only compared Elena to Jelena regarding movement. Its wise to re-read the statement before making an unfair assumption.
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comparing Elena and Jelena is justified actually
Jelena has just been the overachiever
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I only compared Elena to Jelena regarding movement. Its wise to re-read the statement before making an unfair assumption.
I just read Naldo's post comparing Jelena and Elena.

I don't believe in the word "overachiever". Either you win, or you don't...
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I just read Naldo's post comparing Jelena and Elena.

I don't believe in the word "overachiever". Either you win, or you don't...
shes an overachiever compared to Dementieva
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She overplays WAY too much.

She's probably personally happier now than she's ever been though. She's young, pretty, and rid of Dracula daddy. Perhaps she's content with her lot and not motivated to do what's needed to go further.
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What the hell is brital!?!? Do you mean brittle?
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shes an overachiever compared to Dementieva
So... in effect, you're saying Jelena and Alyona are near the same skill level... but Jelena has accomplished more.

I disagree... but that's just me.
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