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Wertheim's Take on Serena's Lack of Praise for Opponents

A lot of negative stuff is written about Jennifer Capriati and her manners, etc. (most of which I agree with). However, anyone else think that Serena Williams is the most ungracious loser of the lot? Every time she loses, which admittedly is not often, she always comes up with an excuse rather than praise for her opponent. The latest: "My whole game was like 9,000 notches down." Another time I heard her quoted as saying, "She played some of her best tennis and I played OK." Venus, on the other hand, I find very complimentary about opponents who have beaten her. For me, Venus may not be the better of the tennis sisters at the moment, but she's certainly more graceful and humble and I find that ultimately more admirable.
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Stephen, you pretty much answered your own question. It's hard to be considered an ungracious loser when you lose so infrequently. But your point is well taken. When your opponent scores one of the biggest wins of her career and beats you in a tight three-setter, it's generally bad form to stress that you stunk worse than a frat-house basement. Serena is also notorious on tour for blaming defeats on assorted injuries and ailments. (Who can forget the infamous "There should be a picture of me [in the dictionary] next to the word hypochondriac" remark at Wimbledon a few years ago?) It's probably unfortunate that we reflexively compare Serena to Venus and vice versa. But for the record, you're right. Venus usually shows a great deal of poise and grace in defeat.

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pffffffffft this whole thing pisses me off

its like, how can you be expected to speak fluent spanish when you go to 5-6 classes a year???
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LOL, SerenaJWilliams...I understand.

But this post should make the Capster's fans feel better. This time, Wertheim didn't demean Capriati. Instead, he suggested an area for Serena to improve.

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LOL. Serena's game was 7,000 notches down against Henin, but she still lost it. I admire Serena's honesty though of how she feels, but it can come off as ungracious. However, what she doesn't get credit for is giving opponents praise in the past.

I also think it's funny when we don't hear any whining when the other players have their negative stuff to say about Rena. Justine wasn't very classy either after she did defeat Rena.

And Jen shouldn't even be compared to Rena, she is in a whole different class by herself.
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Well, there is a precedent for this sort of thing, with the exception of Davenport and perhaps Clijsters all the top women can be a little ungracious in their press conferences. I was annoyed at Serena not so much for her suggestion that she was ill after the loss to Capriati at Wimby 01, but that she completely misunderstood the word hypochondriac and took it as someone who was always getting ill, rather than someone who mistakenly they were always getting ill. Honestly, if you're going to try and be clever, as Venus was at the same event by mentioning Miller's Death of a Salesman in her interview, at least get your facts straight.

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Serena Williams can be a bit cocky, I find her telling it like it really is tone refreshing!

Keep on Keepin on Serena! Beat em down beat em down! but leave Venus alone..lol

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Well, there is a precedent for this sort of thing, with the exception of Davenport and perhaps Clijsters all the top women can be a little ungracious in their press conferences. I was annoyed at Serena not so much for her suggestion that she was ill after the loss to Capriati at Wimby 01, but that she completely misunderstood the word hypochondriac and took it as someone who was always getting ill, rather than someone who mistakenly they were always getting ill. Honestly, if you're going to try and be clever, as Venus was at the same event by mentioning Miller's Death of a Salesman in her interview, at least get your facts straight.
Yes! And even more annoying... everyone picked up on it as a really smart and witty comment, when all it proved was that Serena is in a league of her own when it comes to malapropisms.

Er, I thought it was a given that Serena's a sore, ungracious loser? And that it isn't that much of a deal? You know... Serena's a bad loser, Jenn's classless... what, you think they're going to change because you want them to?
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Well, there is a precedent for this sort of thing, with the exception of Davenport and perhaps Clijsters all the top women can be a little ungracious in their press conferences. I was annoyed at Serena not so much for her suggestion that she was ill after the loss to Capriati at Wimby 01, but that she completely misunderstood the word hypochondriac and took it as someone who was always getting ill, rather than someone who mistakenly they were always getting ill. Honestly, if you're going to try and be clever, as Venus was at the same event by mentioning Miller's Death of a Salesman in her interview, at least get your facts straight.
Hendouble, you are right about other players being a little ungracious in their press conferences, but I guess it's SERENA. Others can get away with it, but Serena cannot because of the hate.

I for one do believe that Serena was a hypochondriac. She use to have a fear of losing, and that is what caused her problems with Capriati. When a person gets nervous they can have extreme stomach pain. But I am happy that she has gotten over that and stopped with the excuses.

IMO, Serena has always been in your face. She doesn't attack players, but speaks highly of herself and her abilities. Some people cannot deal with someone with so much confidence, brashness, and she is unapologetic about it. She isn't rude, but it rubs the haters the wrong way which doesn't matter anyways, because they would hate her regardless.
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BEAUTIFUL POST HARLOO!

U hit it on the head my friend

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Ah yes, "the hate". This is right up there with such tried-and-trusted conspiracy theories as the real story behind the JFK assassination, the fraudulence of NASA's supposed landing on the Moon, etc, and just as believable.

And sorry if I misunderstand you, but you also seem to be saying that hypochondria is a medical condition that actually causes pain, when in fact it's entirely mental. If Serena was actually suffering from stomach cramps then fine, but hypochondria is the wrong phrase to coin.

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Look I agree Serena is not used to losing but thats no excuse for what she said about Henin. The reason she was 9000 notches below her game was because Henin played in such a way that it made it difficult for Serena to play her game.

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no dava ur a HATER
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Ugh call the paramedics cause I agree with who dawn marie agrees with. I think both Stephen of Germany and the bozo who gets paid to write about a sport he thinks he knows about are both talking out of their arses.

I don't find Serena brash at all in her interviews. And really, what did you want Serena to say about Justine huh?
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Hendouble, you are right about other players being a little ungracious in their press conferences, but I guess it's SERENA. Others can get away with it, but Serena cannot because of the hate.

I for one do believe that Serena was a hypochondriac. She use to have a fear of losing, and that is what caused her problems with Capriati. When a person gets nervous they can have extreme stomach pain. But I am happy that she has gotten over that and stopped with the excuses.

IMO, Serena has always been in your face. She doesn't attack players, but speaks highly of herself and her abilities. Some people cannot deal with someone with so much confidence, brashness, and she is unapologetic about it. She isn't rude, but it rubs the haters the wrong way which doesn't matter anyways, because they would hate her regardless.
Serena is held to a higher standard because she's the #1 player in the world and supposedly an ambassador for tennis. It may be her nature to play herself up or down, but its ungracious and doesn't set a good example to other players or casual fans.

Serena doesn't "attack" other players but she swipes them with backhanded compliments. The comment in the question was about how Serena said the only reason Justine beat her is because she was playing sooooo far below her level. That smacks of sour grapes and immaturity. She didn't outright say, "The only reason Justine beat me was because I played far below my level" but that's the gist of what she said. As if no one had the right to defeat her in the first place.

As for the hypochondriac statement, well, if you don't understand that Serena was insulting herself there, then there's not much I can do for you.

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Hendouble I know that a hypochondriac is a person who always think they are sick. It is mental, and I do believe that's what Serena was suffering from.

And for the record noone called you a hater. Don't get it twisted, their are haters and it's not a conspiracy theory. If you don't realize that, then you are very naive.
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