Originally Posted by VeNuS FoReVeR
Justine should not have taken the court is relevant. Since she shouldn't have taken the court, she wouldn't have lost, and this loss would not be on her record.
ok, let's try again, it's irrelevant for this purpose, did I say record? did I say head-tohead? did I say rankings points? those are irrelevant for my point which is how valuable is this win, in terms of what it MEANS, not in terms of record, I couldn't care less about that.
Let's try to put it simple, I am trying to see this loss from the point of view of what it means. Justine losing to Kapros, does it mean that Kapros is better? does it mean that Justine bad? No, the records are completely irrelevant here and I never said it doesn't count in the records
As for Justine definitely beating Kapros, nothing is a sure thing. I would have bet 200 to 1 that Venus was going to beat Schett in 2001, or beat Schwartz in 1999. I would have never thought of her losing. Or even to Dementieva, a new comer to the tour, in 1999.
do you really compare Schett to Kapros? are you serious?
what has Kapros won, ever? zero, nothing, where is she now?
Nothing is guaranteed, and for you to say Justine would have won is foolish, anyone should know that.
really? to say that a healthy Justine would beat a player that without the points she got from beating Justine would be outside the top 300?
that has never won a title, not even come close, that serves 50 mph?
of course, Justine could have broken her leg but that's not the point, I said if Justine was healthy
to put it in perspective, if I wasn't 300% sure not only that Justine wouldn't lose to Kapros, but that Kapros wouldn't take more than 4 game I would stop supporting Justine because her game would simply be trash.
The fact is she lost, and it counts on her record. People won't look back and say "oh, well, she was sick, so that doesn't count." If she was that sick, she would have never went out there, if she was that sick, she would have never won a set. She went out there thinking she was healthy enough to compete, and a loss will be her own fault.
again, who the f.ck is talking about records?, I am talking from a technical point of view, do I care what people will say?, I know what a loss means in terms of what it means to judge the players' game and this loss means nothing, no matter what the fucking records say
It's just like Venus. She should have never went out there against Kim, but she did. And now she has to face that she has another loss against Kim. That's just part of the game.
Coulda, Shoulda, Woulda, but DIDN'T, PERIOD.
She lost, so, accept it.
are you really serious?, not in a billion years I will accept that Kapros won because she deserved it, because Justine loses to low ranked players. the could, should, would are pretty straight forward, anyone that knows even a little about tennis knows that unless Justine is injured, ill or something similar Kapros has no chance of beating her.
The Venus comparisson is fool, Kim can beat Venus even though that particular win is tainted, you are not comparing Kapros with Kim are you?
to put it clear, if Justine had been healthy and still lost to Kapros, she wouldn't have won any tournament, ever, she would be ranked outside the top 100 with no hopes to reach the top.
Do people actually read?