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Amelia Island QFs

Justine Henin-Hardenne (1) vs. Monica Seles (6)

Imagine a short, skinny, fast 21 year old Conchita Martinez with a big serve.

Now imagine a slow, 31 year old Monica Seles coming off an injury.

Eldritch Wizardry.

Daniela Hantuchova (4) vs. Elena Dementieva (10)

If you're a fan of brute force tennis, this Bud's for you. Nothing in the way of subtlety or variety in THIS matchup. This will be straightforward killing contest, baseline brute power new age tennis. Whoever hits best from the baseline, wins.

Put aside the H2H. Elena won the last time, Dani the 2 before that. They are well matched athletically. But Dani is a top tenplayer, while Elena struggles to stay top twenty. The matchup SHOULDN'T be close.
But it is. Why?

I think Dani short-changes herself against the big hitters, and retreats to the baseline. She HAS all court skills. she's a sound volley-er. She needs more of Chanda's 'derring-do'. What she has is Jelena Dokic's 'derring-don't'. By going back to the baseline, she stops using the very skills that make her more than one tall, baseline powermonger.
But Elena has an uber-weapon. The 2nd best, maybe even the BEST forehand in the thirty. On that side, sometimes, her racket doesn't just hit the ball, it detonates. She regularly hits winners by flicking her wrist. Her backhand is nowhere near as dangerous.

Dani's g-strokes are sound, but she can't match Elena's forehand off either wing. And her backhand isn't a lot better than Elena's. Maybe a little.

In a baseline power struggle, if Dani's serve isn't working WELL, Elena can wait for forehands and blow her off the court.

If Dani goes to net ....


Jennifer Capriati (3) vs. Lisa Raymond (12)

Old School. The first time they played was ten years ago at Wimbledon.

College Girl vs Teenage Phenom.

They both know the drill. Lisa will do what she should in case Jenn falls apart. Jenn will patiently wait til she gets chances at forehand winners.
There may not be an ace the whole match.

Lindsay Davenport (2) vs. Patty Schnyder (7)

One match out of ten, Patty brings the house. (See Schnyder vs S.Williams, QF Charleston 2002) If this match is #10, Lindsay's outathere. Otherwise, California Queen shouldn't have too much trouble.

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good review but i think that u underrate elena a bit too much...
still an excellent review

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Not an ace in Raymond-Capriati match? I heard that lisa hit 12 today againt Dokic, going from 12 to zero would be quite a drop off.

These are some pretty cool QF matches.
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Capriati/Raymond...last three have gone three, but they haven't played since early 2001
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lol...it's alot harder to ace a resurgent JCap then a more-then-just-slumping Dokic


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I don't see how.
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[b]Dani's g-strokes are sound, but she can't match Elena's forehand off either wing. And her backhand isn't a lot better than Elena's. Maybe a little.
Daniela's backhand is miles better than Elena's. Or maybe you haven't seen the 2002 Indian Wells final yet.

I think they are even off the ground. Maybe Alyona hits more winners, but she also hits a lot more unforced errors. Elene had 16 more errors in her two set match today than Daniela had in her 3 set match. Like you said, it depends if Daniela's serve is on and if she has a game plan.


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I don't see how.
For starters, Jenni C has way faster reaction time than Jelena. Jenni C gets her racket back faster. Jenni C has better footwork.

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Aces, for the most part, are aces. It's a little more difficult to slam the ball past super retrievers like Serena or Venus, but nobody is unaceable. If you hit a good enough serve, it'll be an ace against anybody. Lisa hit 12 such serves against Jelena. If she does the same to capriati, she'll wind up with a comparable total.
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For starters, Jenni C has way faster reaction time than Jelena. Jenni C gets her racket back faster. Jenni C has better footwork.
Way faster reaction time? Come on....

Maybe jen does have better footwork and better racket preparation. How that makes her immune to aces I don't know. If Lisa serves as well as she did today, she'll come up with a few against Jen too.
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Dani's serve was doing just fine today....long may it continue


Match Summary Hantuchova 1st SERVE % 72%
ACES 1
DOUBLE FAULTS 1
WINNING % - 1st SERVE PTS. 39 of 52 = 75%
WINNING % - 2nd SERVE PTS. 12 of 20 = 60%
WINNERS (INCLUDING SERVICE) 35
UNFORCED ERRORS 25
BREAK POINT CONVERSIONS 4 of 11 = 36 %
NET APPROACHES 9 of 12 = 75 %
TOTAL POINTS WON 94

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all of these players have been to a grand slam quarter-final or better sometime in their career.

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Daniela's backhand is miles better than Elena's. Or maybe you haven't seen the 2002 Indian Wells final yet.
That was.. an year ago? Has she won anything since?

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I think they are even off the ground. Maybe Alyona hits more winners, but she also hits a lot more unforced errors. Elene had 16 more errors in her two set match today than Daniela had in her 3 set match.
Unlike Daniela, who played someone who would not chase most of retrievable balls, Elena played a super-defender today. Coetzer always makes you hit an extra shot, that's why almost any player will always be in high numbers for UEs against Coetzer. The number that tells more is that Elena hit 30+winners against Amanda in just two sets..

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One review I am not really in agreement with is the last one. I think, that Davenport is exactly the kind of player that can really be frustrated by Schnyder. Patty reads the shots excellently, and on slow surface she will get a lot more balls back than Lindsay would hope for..

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Volcana, at some point in your life are you ever going to refer to Monica as her actual age rather than routinely inflating it a year or two?

You have to answer for Santino, Carlo.
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