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post #1 of 26 (permalink) Old Apr 17th, 2003, 01:06 PM Thread Starter
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Greatest female tennis player based on total GS titles

All players with 10 or TOTAL GS titles (21)

NOTE: Only players who at least played SOME in the open era, and HWM

Records from wtatour.com

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62 Margaret Court    24 singles, 19 doubles, 19 mixed doubles
57 M.Navratilova     18 singles, 31 doubles,  8 mixed doubles
39 Bille Jean King   12 singles, 16 doubles, 11 mixed doubles
31 Helen Wills Moody 19 Singles,  9 doubles,  3 Mixed
23 Steffi Graf       22 singles,  1 doubles
22 Pam Shriver                   21 doubles,  1 mixed doubles
21 Chris Evert       18 singles,  3 doubles 
20 Natasha Zvereva               18 doubles,  2 mixed doubles
19 Maria Bueno        7 singles, 11 doubles,  1 mixed 
13 Evonne Goolagong   7 singles,  5 doubles,  1 mixed doubles
17 Jana Novotna       1 singles, 12 doubles,  4 mixed doubles
17 Gigi Fernandez                17 doubles 	
14 A.Sanchez-Vicario  4 singles,  6 doubles,  4 mixed doubles 
14 Martina Hingis     5 singles,  9 doubles 
14 Helena Sukova                  9 doubles,  5 mixed doubles 
13 Serena Williams    5 singles,  6 doubles,  2 mixed doubles
12 Venus Williams     4 singles,  6 doubles,  2 mixed doubles 
12 Francois Durr      1 singles,  7 doubles,  4 mixed doubles 	
11 Rosie Casals                   9 doubles,  2 mixed doubles 	
10 Virgina Wade       3 singles,  6 doubles,  1 mixed doubles 	
10 Anne Smith*                    5 doubles,  5 mixed doubles 	
10 Betty Stove                    6 doubles,  4 mixed doubles

NOTE: Remove all of BJK's mixed titles and she's still #3 over-all.

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Why do you have __ for Helen Wills' doubles and mixed doubles titles? FYI, she has 9 women's doubles titles and 3 mixed doubles titles.

Also if BJK didn't have her mixed doubles titles, she'd be 4th behind Wills!
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Court and Navratilova are the two greatest of all time...but was there any doubt?

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Cool list idea

You're (or should I say the WTA) missing a few. Elizabeth Ryan never won a singles slam, but she had 19 doubles and mixed at Wimbledon alone. You're also missing Doris Hart, Louise Brough, and Margaret Dupont, all of who racked up huge slam totals.

I don't recall Virginia Wade winning a mixed either-though I hope I'm wrong!
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I give much more credit to the women who achieved success in singles, doubles and mixed. When picking the greatest of all time, I use that as part of the criteria. The top three played all three events and Billie and Margaret played during the times when there were no tiebreakers. People always marvel at today's players stating the competition is stronger and they are too tired to play doubles. All hail the womem who prevailed in all three events!

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Venus and Serena should play more Mixed Doubles.

I'm sure Johnny Mac would love to make a comeback, yet again.

But seriously, pad those stats!!!

If your fave's coach isn't Richard Williams, that's just her first problem...

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There can never be too many "Sister Slams!"
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This list illustrates beautifully why I only place moderate emphasis on doubles titles and absolutely zero emphasis on mixed doubles titles in determining the greatest ever: Pam Shriver ranked ahead of Chris Evert?! lol!
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lol legend pam
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Sam L - I was not able to get records from wtatour.com for players who never played any Open Era tennis. I knew how many total GS titles Wills Moody had, and how many singles. I didn't know the reakdown for doubles and mixed. Thanks for providing it.

Rollo -see above for why no Ryan, Hart, Brough, and Dupont. wtatour.com doesn't have the records for them. I have such records, but not currently accesible.

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i say singles titles are vastly more important and say more about the greatness of a player....doubles titles are also extraordinary, but singles is the best for sure...
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Howabout only half credit for each double title (to avoid 1/2's maybe give 2 points for a singles slam and 1 for a doubles)?

If your fave's coach isn't Richard Williams, that's just her first problem...

I was there when the ALL BLACKS won the World Cup in 2011!!!

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Singles is the most important for sure; however, a person that excels in all three events is extraordinary. It lets the world know that they are not one dimensional players, they can do it all!

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Interesting stats - Venus and Serena haven't waster much time .
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Sounds like whoever does the stats for wtatour.com is either lazy or has gotten waaaaaaaay behind if they have omitted Dupont or Brough. This thread doesn't really tell the story because of it.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kiwifan
Howabout only half credit for each double title (to avoid 1/2's maybe give 2 points for a singles slam and 1 for a doubles)?
Then the list would look like this:

86 pts Margaret Court

75 pts M.Navratilova
51 pts Bille Jean King
50 pts Helen Wills Moody
45 pts Steffi Graf
39 pts Chris Evert
26 pts Maria Bueno
22 pts Pam Shriver

20 pts Evonne Goolagong
20 pts Natasha Zvereva
19 pts Martina Hingis
18 pts Serena Williams
18 pts A.Sanchez-Vicario
18 pts Jana Novotna
17 pts Gigi Fernandez

16 pts Venus Williams
14 pts Helena Sukova
13 pts Francois Durr
13 pts Virgina Wade
11 pts Rosie Casals
10 pts Anne Smith
10 pts Betty Stove

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