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Kim Clijsters 57 57.00%
Justine Henin-Hardenne 43 43.00%
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post #1 of 45 (permalink) Old Apr 14th, 2003, 12:29 AM Thread Starter
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Cool At 94 votes, Kim wins, but not by a overwhelming majority

**Update, Monday, April 15th**

I'm closing this poll at 94 votes. Kim gets the majority at 57%. I thought this would be higher, since the majority of posters who wrote a message placed Kim in the overwheming majority.

Makes me wonder if Kim fans are more agressive?
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post #2 of 45 (permalink) Old Apr 14th, 2003, 12:30 AM
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Justine has twice the talent Kim does
But Kim is harnesing it

Ok twice is an exaggeration but she has a more complete game and is almost Hingis-like in how she knows the court.
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My view:

Clijsters has the power.
Justine has probably the most beautiful game in women's tennis to watch, IMHO.

Not sure who is the best, yet. I think Justine is mentally tougher, so I'll give her the edge.

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I think Kim, but then Im biased. Justine is more textbook tennis, but Kim has a certain Je Ne Sais Quai about her tennis which when its on is great to watch.

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Kim is better right now, but Justine has the talent to close the gap imo.
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They have similar stats in Grand Slams... so we'll go with this.

SF Antwerp Feb 16 2003 K Clijsters(2) - J Henin-Hardenne(3) 6-2 7-63
SF Sydney Jan 12 2003 K Clijsters(2) - J Henin-Hardenne(3) 6-2 6-3
QF Los Angeles Nov 10 2002 K Clijsters(5) - J Henin-Hardenne(4) 6-2 6-1
SF Rome May 19 2002 J Henin-Hardenne(5) - K Clijsters(3) 7-5 6-2
QF Australian O. Jan 27 2002 K Clijsters(4) - J Henin-Hardenne(6) 6-2 6-3
QF Sydney Jan 13 2002 K Clijsters(3) - J Henin-Hardenne(5) 7-65 6-2
F Hertogenb. June 24 2001 J Henin-Hardenne(2) - K Clijsters(1) 6-4 3-6 6-3
SF Roland Garros June 10 2001 K Clijsters(12) - J Henin-Hardenne(14) 2-6 7-5 6-3
3 Indian W. Mar 18 2001 K Clijsters(14) - J Henin-Hardenne(17) 1-6 6-4 6-3

That's 7-2 Kim, for the slow people.
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Justine is the better player, and one day she'll prove it, she just has a mental problem against Kim and Venus.... but that will change! muhahahahahahahahahaha! erm yeah...

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They have similar stats in Grand Slams... so we'll go with this.

SF Antwerp Feb 16 2003 K Clijsters(2) - J Henin-Hardenne(3) 6-2 7-63
SF Sydney Jan 12 2003 K Clijsters(2) - J Henin-Hardenne(3) 6-2 6-3
QF Los Angeles Nov 10 2002 K Clijsters(5) - J Henin-Hardenne(4) 6-2 6-1
SF Rome May 19 2002 J Henin-Hardenne(5) - K Clijsters(3) 7-5 6-2
QF Australian O. Jan 27 2002 K Clijsters(4) - J Henin-Hardenne(6) 6-2 6-3
QF Sydney Jan 13 2002 K Clijsters(3) - J Henin-Hardenne(5) 7-65 6-2
F Hertogenb. June 24 2001 J Henin-Hardenne(2) - K Clijsters(1) 6-4 3-6 6-3
SF Roland Garros June 10 2001 K Clijsters(12) - J Henin-Hardenne(14) 2-6 7-5 6-3
3 Indian W. Mar 18 2001 K Clijsters(14) - J Henin-Hardenne(17) 1-6 6-4 6-3

That's 7-2 Kim, for the slow people.
I think a better indication would be their H2Hs against top 5 players.

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I"m with tennisfool on this. Kim obviously owns Justine, but head to heads alone does not indicate who is the better player, imo.

I'll use an ATP example: Moya trails Ferrero 2-7. Does this mean that Ferrero is a much better player just beacuse their games don't match up well for Moya?
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I'll use an ATP example: Moya trails Ferrero 2-7. Does this mean that Ferrero is a much better player just beacuse their games don't match up well for Moya?
No. The first criterian for me in rating players, is their performance in Grand Slams. Obviously, Carlos has the advantage there.

Justine & Kim are exactly the same in the amount of finals, and semifinals.
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Justine's tennis is absolutely beautiful to watch. She's so full of talent, but she'll never have the power to be better than Kim. If we are talking about the best BELGIAN player, than their records against other players are irrelevant. If there was a competition between all the belgian players, Kim would win hands down (probably even against the blokes ).

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I think a better indication would be their H2Hs against top 5 players.
The question was "Who is the better Belgian player?" though...

I don't agree with the only Top 5 H2H's, because 1) consistency is the biggest thing in the WTA rankings... and 2) You can't compare defeating Venus or Serena to defeating Dani.
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They are both wonderful, but right now, I think Kim is the better player. Who knows what it'll be in a few years, or when their tennis careers are over?! My assessment is only the current standings.

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Justine Henin-Hardenne:

2 tier 1's
6 other titles
1 slam final

Kim Clijsters:

1 WTA Championships
1 tier 1
10 other titles
1 slam final

Kim has the better career up to this point.
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I don't agree with the only Top 5 H2H's, because 1) consistency is the biggest thing in the WTA rankings... and 2) You can't compare defeating Venus or Serena to defeating Dani.
OK fine, Top 4 head to heads then:

Kim 10-14
Justine 5-18

Bigger title? Kim.
Bigger Recent Title? Kim.
More Titles? Kim.
More Recent Titles? Kim.
Career Earnings? Kim.
Current Ranking? Kim.
Career High Ranking? Kim.

Justine has done better than Kim against Serena Williams on Clay, that's it. Of course, Kim hasn't actually PLAYED Serena on Clay.

You have to answer for Santino, Carlo.
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