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Question Will Wimbledon and The US Open ever conform?



I know this has possible been posted many many times but I have never seen anything about it yet.

Two Questions

1. Will Wimbledon ever follow the official rankings for their seedings? I know there was a semi boycott a few years ago by spanish men because of it.

2. Will the US Open ever move to a third-set advantage set? There have been many great matches that could have been better (Seles-Capriati comes to mind)...and why don't they?

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one other question i wanna know, how does Wimbledon seed the players????? what do they base it on if they don't use the proper rankings system?

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third-set advantage set?
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third-set advantage set?
meaning the third set goes on until one players wins by 2.

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Okay say Serena fell down a hole somewhere and didn't emerge until the 2004 Wimbledon. She wouldn't have a ranking, and I don't see a problem with Wimbledon defying the numbers and giving her a seed. This is, of course, assuming that Serena had kept up with her training down in the hole and was still in top shape

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third-set advantage set?
The US Open is the only slam not to play advantage 3rd set...they use tiebreakers in third set.

To answer the question with Wimbledon, I believe they have a seeding committee and I can only guess they base it on past performances at Wimbledon and the current form the player is in...only guessing though.

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yeah, third (fifth for the guys) set advantage set = you don't have a tie break in the last set, you keep playing till someone wins by two games... like the El Anaouyi (sp?)-Roddick match at the AO that went to like 23-21 in the last set or something! Now that was a great match! The USO is the only GS that doesn't have that.

Wimbledon seeding always sucks, but I don't think they'll ever do it by the rankings.

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Okay say Serena fell down a hole somewhere and didn't emerge until the 2004 Wimbledon. She wouldn't have a ranking, and I don't see a problem with Wimbledon defying the numbers and giving her a seed. This is, of course, assuming that Serena had kept up with her training down in the hole and was still in top shape

Yes I see the tradition with their way of seeding...but with Conchita having won the title she should be seeded every year? I know Pat Cash was considered for a seeding and he was ranked outside the top 100 at that stage? it's all very confusing

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Quite frankly, I like the status quo for both.

1/. Wimbledon is the tournament of tournaments, it should be allowed to do their own seedings. What's more, grass is a surface that's rarely played on tour these days. It's a fact that claycourters don't do well on grass, so they should be seeded accordingly.

2/. I'm not sure the history behind the final set tiebreak at the US Open but it's unique and it works well for the schedule. Why not keep it?
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Ps....I think Serena could play with a prosthetic leg and still get seeded

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They take your ranking (which is 60%) and average that with your past Wimbledon performances, and aptitude on Grass.

For example
lets say Monica is only around #9 come Wimbledon
and say Chanda is at #8.
She may very well get that #8 seed over Chanda
simply because she (while it doesnt sound right) has a very good record on grass, granting her a higher seed (sampras was seeded like 6th this year when his rank was way lower)
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I thought Wimbledon was going to start going by the rankings this year.
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They take your ranking (which is 60%) and average that with your past Wimbledon performances, and aptitude on Grass.

For example
lets say Monica is only around #9 come Wimbledon
and say Chanda is at #8.
She may very well get that #8 seed over Chanda
simply because she (while it doesnt sound right) has a very good record on grass, granting her a higher seed (sampras was seeded like 6th this year when his rank was way lower)

Ty mmcdonald....was always curious how they did that...I wonder what sort of people are on the committee etc...international board or just people from The All England club?

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Quite frankly, I like the status quo for both.

1/. Wimbledon is the tournament of tournaments, it should be allowed to do their own seedings. What's more, grass is a surface that's rarely played on tour these days. It's a fact that claycourters don't do well on grass, so they should be seeded accordingly.

2/. I'm not sure the history behind the final set tiebreak at the US Open but it's unique and it works well for the schedule. Why not keep it?
REALLY don't agree with either of those points, sorry. Obviously WImby is on grass, but I don't think it matters what surface the tourney is on, we have the rankings for a reason: USE THEM! Otherwise, if every tourney can just make up their own seeds, why bother with the rankings anyway?

Yeah, the USO likes the tiebreak for tv coverage probably! It means that you don't have a long drawn out 3 setter.

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Yes I see the tradition with their way of seeding...but with Conchita having won the title she should be seeded every year? I know Pat Cash was considered for a seeding and he was ranked outside the top 100 at that stage? it's all very confusing
They usually don't change it that much. They bumped up Steffi (7 time champion) one place from 3 to 2 which made no difference because Martina bombed to Jelena, meaning Steffi and Lindsay were effectually #1 and #2 from the beginning.

And of course they would give Serena special consideration after her hole ordeal

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