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post #31 of 386 (permalink) Old Dec 9th, 2013, 12:18 AM
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No, with skill block it's that the player has the skills but they are inferior in every way to the opponents skills.
The 'skills going away temporarily' = mental block LOL
The skills are not blocked if, at their highest and optimum expression (meaning they are unblocked), they are not enough to cause any damage to the opponent.

We'll just agree to disagree.
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You're on fire today! I believe Fed also has a skills block against Rafa. His weapons are just not good enough. Of course it will have an impact on his mentality, but he cant change the fact that Rafa's topspin FH will always destroy his BH, as Serena's serve/defense/offense will always be too much for Pova.

Conclusion: initially it starts and stays a skills block and eventually affects the mentality of the player. I figured it out, thx.
Another good example of skill block. Federer, with his weak backhand could do nothing against Rafa the lefty.
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Re: Does Pova have a skill block or a mental block vs Serena?

100% Skill. The only time I've ever seen evidence of a "mental block" was when she DF'd at 9-9(?) in their 1st set TB at Wimbledon 2010.

But this is true:

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  1. Maria sharpest offensive skills are simply not enough to trouble Serena's sharpest defense
  2. Maria's sharpest defensive skills are not enough to trouble Serena's ordinary offense.
Serena grew up practicing every day against one of the most dynamic athletes in sports. Slow girls just don't trouble her much. And Maria's current brand of offense (2010-present) isn't risky enough or steady enough to take Serena out of her comfort zone like Davenport/PeakPierce/04Pova could occasionally do. Serena's just too comfortable with the matchup. Maria's only chance at this point is to get a few steps quicker and add another dimension to her offense.
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Re: Does Pova have a skill block or a mental block vs Serena?

Ability that can be expressed at its highest and optimum level by a given individual A but produced disappointing results (against individual B) is NOT blocked ability.

It is simply means the highest and optimum level of performance by individual A is NOT enough when matched up against individual B's.

And if this pattern is repeated a few times, it means individual B has superior ability over A.

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Ability that can be expressed at its highest and optimum level by a given individual A but produced disappointing results (against individual B) is NOT blocked ability.

It is simply means the highest and optimum level of performance by individual A is NOT enough when matched up against individual B's.

And this pattern repeated is repeated a few times, it means individual B has superior ability over A.
I understand that Serena at her best is obviously better than Sharapova.

However, I don't think their lopsided H2H can simply be put down to "Serena is a better tennis player", because if that were the only critera, then Serena would never lose a match since she has been arguably the best tennis player for the majority of her career.

For example, I think Serena is better than Victoria Azarenka, yet Azarenka was able to go 2-2 with Serena this year. Serena has also had freak losses to many other lower ranked players.

Why is it that someone as good as Sharapova (while still not as good as Serena) hasn't even managed 1 win in the last 13 meetings?

Does Serena always bring her "A" game when playing Sharapova? Does Sharapova crumble? Is it a combination of the two?
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I understand that Serena at her best is obviously better than Sharapova.

However, I don't think their lopsided H2H can simply be put down to "Serena is a better tennis player", because if that were the only critera, then Serena would never lose a match since she has been arguably the best tennis player for the majority of her career.

For example, I think Serena is better than Victoria Azarenka, yet Azarenka was able to go 2-2 with Serena this year. Serena has also had freak losses to many other lower ranked players.

Why is it that someone as good as Sharapova (while still not as good as Serena) hasn't even managed 1 win in the last 13 meetings?

Does Serena always bring her "A" game when playing Sharapova? Does Sharapova crumble? Is it a combination of the two?
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Never thought of it that way before
Sarcasm?

I'm being serious even if you're making fun of it. This is a strange H2H, and the answers here simply saying that Serena is more skilled don't cut it for me. I think she is more skilled than any player on tour right now yet she still loses from time to time. Still shocking that none of them have come from Sharapova since 2004.
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Sarcasm?

I'm being serious even if you're making fun of it. This is a strange H2H, and the answers here simply saying that Serena is more skilled don't cut it for me. I think she is more skilled than any player on tour right now yet she still loses from time to time. Still shocking that none of them have come from Sharapova since 2004.
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I understand that Serena at her best is obviously better than Sharapova.

However, I don't think their lopsided H2H can simply be put down to "Serena is a better tennis player", because if that were the only critera, then Serena would never lose a match since she has been arguably the best tennis player for the majority of her career.
Come on now. Could you say the same about Federer vs Roddick. Roddick did win a couple as well. But everyone concludes that "Federer is a better tennis player"

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For example, I think Serena is better than Victoria Azarenka, yet Azarenka was able to go 2-2 with Serena this year.
Azarenka has a winning record against Sharapova as well. Also she has quite a bit better return of serve, defense, and ability to counterpunch. She also has one 2 slams in 2 years. A top player on tour

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Serena has also had freak losses to many other lower ranked players.
Every player has. Date-Krumm beat Sharapova in 2010. De Brito this season. Azarenka to Petkovic this year as well.

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Why is it that someone as good as Sharapova (while still not as good as Serena) hasn't even managed 1 win in the last 13 meetings?
I think it's not only because Serena has more weapons offensively and defensively, but also because she can "read" Sharapova's game very well. She knows when and where Sharapova is going to hit shots and she dominates on return and serve.

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Does Serena always bring her "A" game when playing Sharapova? Does Sharapova crumble? Is it a combination of the two?
If Serena brings her A game it's always been a wash, Aussie 2007, Stanford 2011, Madrid 2012, Olympics 2012, etc. The game is entirely in her hands.

Istanbul 2012, Doha 2013 were really B level play, high percentage of the ground, shepherded her serve well (she always manages aces against Maria). Maria played her best (at least against Serena) in Miami and French Open, but when Serena raised her level it was just too much. Even then for Sharapova to play well, she has to be nigh on perfect in break points converted and in breakpoints saved.
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Yes sarcasm

Serena > Maria

Maria diarrhea's herself when Serena's across the net
Yes, but

Serena > Vika
Serena > Sabine
Serena > Razzano
Serena > Wozniacki
Serena > Makarova
Serena > Kerber

You get the idea.
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This pretty easy. Ball bashing wont beat Serena.
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This pretty easy. Ball bashing wont beat Serena.
lol except that it has many times in the past
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Both. Her defence on the forehand side is appalling and she cries so easily
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Maria's a complete mug.

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Re: Does Pova have a skill block or a mental block vs Serena?

Its a bad match up for Maria the same as it was for Lindsay. Big hitters with not great movement dont have a great record against Serena. Its often counter punchers having a great day that give her more trouble.
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