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The Best Thing About Venus Losing...

Is That Serena will be twice as determined to defend her title. I'm actually hoping now that meg gets to the final with serena so I can see some sisterly justice done! GO SERENA, better luck next time vee.

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I think the best thing about Venus losing, will be watching Kim win the title and grab #2 ranking.

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Serena doesn't need Venus to lose to get motivated. the girl was born motivated.

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I said this in another thread and I'll say it again

If this terrible loss does not make Venus work on her second serve then nothing will. Nothing about it has changed since I saw her Aussie Open matches

VENUS. ANA, TAY TAY. NICOLE. LAURA. KONJUH. MADISON

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Venus is not going to work on nothing you know she only pratices
she will just have this lost in her back pocket......and then watch and
see how many times she loses this year!!!! venus is a person if things not going her way in the match she does say her oppent is have a great match of her life!!!!!!
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Hopefully this loss will be a slap in the face for her

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I said this in another thread and I'll say it again

If this terrible loss does not make Venus work on her second serve then nothing will. Nothing about it has changed since I saw her Aussie Open matches
I didn't have a good feeling about this match, I thought Venus looked tense when she played Gagliardi, she wasn't her usual stoic self. Sometimes I get the feeling that she doesn't care as much as she used to. I hope this loss will wake her up.
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I didn't have a good feeling about this match, I thought Venus looked tense when she played Gagliardi, she wasn't her usual stoic self. Sometimes I get the feeling that she doesn't care as much as she used to. I hope this loss will wake her up.
I thought she looked rusty too..maybe a lil too much. She seemed to play at a level below what she usually does. I guess today her level was even lower..and Meghann played extremely well and capitalized on it breadstick style!

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I think Venus has too many distractions off the court and she is paying the fee for them.
I totally agree. She just doesn't seem to be interested in tennis at the moment.

I've read several "maybe this will be a wakeup call" comments here after certain losses. Maybe it's time for people to realize this loss just like the others won't be a wakeup call. She isn't even signed up for another tourney until May, I think. Where is the motivation?
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I think the best thing about Venus losing is that now I can really cheer CHANDA on the final. I want to see a Shaughnessy and Rubin semifinal. Now I think the tourney is getting excited.

I think that Clijsters will be motivated to see Serena eliminated.

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oh i hope Meg gets to the final and losses 0-6 0-6

that would be great!
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I totally agree. She just doesn't seem to be interested in tennis at the moment.

I've read several "maybe this will be a wakeup call" comments here after certain losses. Maybe it's time for people to realize this loss just like the others won't be a wakeup call. She isn't even signed up for another tourney until May, I think. Where is the motivation?
Yeah...I think Venus might be questioning her place in the women's tennis world. She's at an awkward position...No. 2 in the world, ranked only below her younger sister, whom she now can't beat. Venus has always struck me as an introspective, reflective person, so where she is in tennis has to be weighing on her mind.

I'm sure there are about a thousand "Maybe" scenarios that can be thought up as to why Venus seems disinterested in tennis. But to go through them all would be a waste of time. I hope Venus can figure out what she wants to do in terms of both tennis and her own life.
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i'm intrigued by the tone of a funeral dirge for venus on this thread. looking at past seasons, there is evidence that venus is not one to go into slumps. that's her strength and always has been. she lost to a better player yesterday. she accepted that (as demonstrated in her post-match interview) and will move on. i realize that she needs to solve the serena domination but i'm definitely not writing venus off this season. she has to tweak a couple of things in her game but she's still a contender.
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Smile Don't Worry - Be Happy

I will admit that I thought Venus would pull this one out. I am a fan so I was pulling for her. But - Meghann was not to be denied. She had a game plan - and she simply took it to Venus. Whether Venus was fully on form or not is not the thing. The thing is - Meghann wanted it more -believed she could win it - and decided to play to the very best of her ability. One shouldn't worry about another's ability - but concentrate on one's own.

Venus will be back. And if Kim becomes number 2 - then good for Kim. Venus has been there and done that - and if she stays in the league - then she will most likely get there again.

In a way this is a good loss for Venus - and not for the standard wake-up-call sort of speak - but because my girl loves a challenge. She knows she won't reach number one this year - so she will and should just go back to what........? She should go back to just trying to play her best and win her matches. That's all any player can do.

Bravo to Megahnn. She was and is sooooo happy. The players feel it is some kind of coup to beat a Sister - so she deserves her happy feeling. She earned it. Just like the Sisters were soooo happy when they would beat the top players years ago.

Please - no gloom or doom for Venus. Venus will get on a roll again sooner than later in terms of wins and losses.

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It's curtains for Venus
Williams saves eight match points but can't avoid upset by Shaughnessy
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OVER AND OUT: Second-ranked Venus Williams grimaces during her 7-6 (7-2), 6-1 loss Monday night to 22nd-ranked Meghann Shaughnessy. 'She played real well and stayed in there,' Williams said. 'It's back to the drawing board.' C.W. GRIFFIN / HERALD STAFF


There will be no Sister Act Part III this year at the NASDAQ-100 Open.

World No. 2 Venus Williams saved eight match points, then succumbed on the ninth Monday night, as 22nd-ranked Meghann Shaughnessy of Scottsdale, Ariz., upset Williams 7-6 (7-2), 6-1 at the Tennis Center at Crandon Park.

''These are the moments I play tennis for,'' said a beaming Shaughnessy, 23, who will meet fifth-ranked Jennifer Capriati on Wednesday in a quarterfinal. ``I live for these times, and that's what all my training goes into. So I'm feeling really, really happy right now.''

She should. Williams, 22, has been in the last two of three Key Biscayne finals, losing to sister Serena last year and in 1999. Venus has won 29 singles titles, including four Grand Slams.

''You know, it's impossible to win every match,'' Williams said. ``I tried. But I couldn't seem to get the ball to go in today.

``She played real well and stayed in there. It's back to the drawing board.''

Before Monday night's upset, so fast and furiously had the top women at the NASDAQ steamrolled along, that Serena Williams conceded she sometimes loses focus. ''Sometimes it happens when you're winning like I won in the first set,'' said Serena, who disposed of Iroda Tulyaganova 6-0, 6-4 in 59 minutes Monday.

''Would I like to be challenged more? No, no, definitely not,'' Serena said. ``Who wouldn't want to have a 30-minute match and go home?''

Serena Williams will meet 18-year-old qualifier Marion Bartoli of France in today's afternoon quarterfinal. Bartoli sent everyone scrambling to find something -- anything -- about her when she defeated seventh-ranked Lindsay Davenport, who pulled her right hamstring in their second game Monday and later retired. Bartoli, whose father put aside his career as a medical doctor to become her full-time coach, has defeated a wild card, lucky loser, qualifier and the ailing Davenport.

In other top women's matches, Capriati beat Sarah Taylor 6-1, 6-0, in 56 minutes, and third-ranked Kim Clijsters trounced No. 15 seed Anna Pistolesi 6-1, 6-1 in 54 minutes.

On the men's side, world No. 2 Andre Agassi did his own quick work. Agassi thoroughly pounded No. 32 seed Jarkko Nieminen of Finland 6-2, 6-0 in 59 minutes to advance to today's late-night round-of-16 match against 70th-ranked Mark Philippoussis of Australia.

Philippoussis, 26, played a three-set thriller Monday against Thomas Enqvist of Sweden. The match took 2 hours 28 minutes and began with two split tiebreakers before the Aussie took charge with the decisive 6-3 third set. Philippoussis then teamed with Lleyton Hewitt in doubles about an hour later but lost to Andy Roddick and Robby Ginepri 7-6 (7-4), 6-3.

''It's a tough situation, because you want to play doubles to get some match play,'' Philippoussis said. ``But then all of a sudden, you're playing some good tennis in long matches, and it's like you don't need the match play and you just want to rest.''

Philippoussis has defeated Agassi once but has lost to him the past five matches.

''The last time I played him was in San Jose [in February],'' he said. ''He played great. The biggest thing for me is [to not] overplay when [I play] him,'' Philippoussis said. ``That's one thing I don't want to do.''

Also Monday, French Open champion Albert Costa of Spain, the ninth seed, wore down Nicolas Massu of Chile with a 90-minute first set to win 7-6 (8-6), 6-2, despite a partisan Chilean crowd. And No. 14 seed Sjeng Schalken of the Netherlands, last year's U.S. Open semifinalist, defeated Franco Squillari of Argentina 6-4, 7-5.

World No. 4 Roger Federer of Switzerland defeated No. 30 seed Juan Ignacio Chela of Argentina 6-1, 3-6, 6-1.

But it was the late-night match that brought most of the night-session crowd of 10,473 to its feet.

After pulling out the first-set tiebreaker, Shaughnessy, ranked as high as 11th last year, cruised to a 5-0 lead in the second set. Williams saved four match points in the next game to bring it to 5-1.

With Shaughnessy serving for the match, Williams repeatedly fought to survive. At 40-0, Shaughnessy's volley hit the net. At 40-30, Shaughnessy hit a forehand deep. At ad-in, Venus hit a beautiful forehand passing shot to bring it back to deuce. After another exchange of points, Venus hit a forehand into the net to make it ad-out and match point No. 9.

With the crowed screaming, Shaughnessy served and Williams returned it way long.

Game. Set. Match.

''I definitely took a little bit too long to finish it there,'' said Shaughnessy, who has beaten Williams once in five matches. ``There was a little bit of relief there, because there was so much tension in the end.''

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PLEASE People Megan is NOT getting to the FINAL. Capriati will send her home packing which will prove that she had one good day. People act as if Vee has not struggled against Megan before. She struggled against Megan at the USO, but got through. She lost to Megan at BOTWC, and now here. I think Vee's game does not match up with Megan's well for some reason. We know we can say that about alot of players though.

Also, when one sister goes down the other one gets more motivated.

Serena, step up and defend your title. Shut everyone the hell up!!!
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