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Why Is It Widely Accepted That Venus Will Be The One To Next Beat Serena?

It seems so accepted that Venus is the only one with a chance to beat Serena. When it's proposed that Jennifer has a shot, a lot of posters get very defensive and the common criticism is that "Serena dominates Jennifer" now.

V/S Head to head:
1998-01-19 Australian Open Hardcourt R64 Venus Williams (USA) 7-6(4) 6-1
1998-05-04 Rome Clay QF Venus Williams (USA) 6-4 6-2
1999-03-15 Key Biscayne Hardcourt F Venus Williams (USA) 6-1 4-6 6-4
1999-09-27 Munich Indoor Carpet F Serena Williams (USA) 6-1 3-6 6-3
2000-06-26 Wimbledon Grass SF Venus Williams (USA) 6-2 7-6(3)
2001-08-27 U.S. Open Hardcourt F Venus Williams (USA) 6-2 6-4
2002-03-18 Miami Hardcourt SF Serena Williams (USA) 6-2 6-2
2002-05-27 Roland Garros Clay F Serena Williams (USA) 7-5 6-3
2002-06-24 Wimbledon Grass F Serena Williams (USA) 7-6(4) 6-3
2002-08-26 U.S. Open Hardcourt F Serena Williams (USA) 6-4 6-3
2003-01-13 Australian Open Hardcourt F Serena Williams (USA) 7-6(4) 3-6 6-4

The last time Venus actually beat Serena was August 2001. In fact, she's only been able to get 1 set from her in the last year and half.

Jen/Serena Head to head:
1999-05-10 Berlin Clay R32 Serena Williams (USA) 7-6(3) 6-3
2000-03-20 Miami Hardcourt R16 Jennifer Capriati (USA) 7-6(2) 1-6 6-3
2001-03-19 Miami Hardcourt QF Jennifer Capriati (USA) 6-1 7-6(5)
2001-05-28 Roland Garros Clay QF Jennifer Capriati (USA) 6-2 5-7 6-2
2001-06-25 Wimbledon Grass QF Jennifer Capriati (USA) 6-7(4) 7-5 6-3
2001-08-13 Toronto Hardcourt F Serena Williams (USA) 6-1 6-7(7) 6-3
2002-02-25 Scottsdale Hardcourt F Serena Williams (USA) 6-2 4-6 6-4
2002-03-18 Miami Hardcourt F Serena Williams (USA) 7-5 7-6(4)
2002-05-13 Rome Clay SF Serena Williams (USA) 6-2 3-6 7-5
2002-05-27 Roland Garros Clay SF Serena Williams (USA) 3-6 7-6(2) 6-2
2002-11-04 WTA Championships Indoor Hardcourt SF Serena Williams (USA) 2-6 6-4 6-4

Here we see that Jen has not beaten Serena since June of 2001, however has taken 5 sets off of her in the same timeframe that Venus has only taken 1 off of Serena.

So, Venus has the more 'recent' win over Serena (if you consider 19 months to be recent), but Jennifer almost always is in a 3rd set with Serena, where Venus rarely is.

Not that it's likely to happen anytime soon (as Serena is miles ahead of anybody else on tour now - and playing brilliant tennis), but why is it more widely accepted that Venus is "the only real threat" to Serena? I'm not saying that it's only up to Jennifer to do it - I think the Belgians have a say here, but it just seems that I continually read threads over and over and over again about how Serena dominates Jennifer and that's not a rivalry, and in the same time see that quite a lot of posters think that Venus is just steps behind upsetting Serena, that the V/S rivalry is engaging, etc.
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It's simple. Many of the Williams fans rarely say anything negative about either of the sisters.
Basically most of the people who get upset when they hear a non-Venus player can challenge Serena are Williams fans.
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because Venus is #2 and Jennifer is #6 in the rankings.

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If you count Kim as already beating Serena from WTA Champs I think the next one will either be Jen, Venus or Jelena. Jelena may seem a suprise to some but she was very close at Wta Champs, and then got a lsight injury ( you could see she could not move right).

I also feel Lindsay has a shot, as long as she remains the dominat player, as her movement is not strong enough to beat Rena.

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Because Venus has the game and if she just improves her second serve she'll be able to beat Serena. Since she has the game to dominate the rest of the tour she obviously has the potential to beat Serena too. Not that i want it to happen, but Venus does have a good chance at beating Serena whether you like it or not.
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Because Venus is the only player on the tour who runs as fast as Serena AND hits as hard as Serena AND can rival Serena's first serve AND can return Serena's serve for winners AND has beaten her often in the past AND can hit winners past Serena.

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Venus would be dominating Serena now if she were to fix her 2nd serve.

"I told her, `You don't want to get into a hitting battle with Sharapova, because it would be uneven for Sharapova, because Sharapova only has one good side and that's her backhand,"'. "`You don't want to get into that for the simple reason you would win. So try to hit some balls to her strong side, to her backhand, and that would help you with your match for tomorrow

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Venus would be dominating Serena now if she were to fix her 2nd serve.
Well I would'nt go that far, but in the AO final (Serena did not play at all well) I think she would have won if it were not for her second serve.

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because Venus fans are something else!
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I don't know why, since both games are very similar, and Serena's serve are better than Venus, except first one, where Venus hits and doesn't even know where the ball is going.. simple..

If you think in the past, when Venus used to dominate Serena, Venus was playing well, with second serves and everything? Do you think Serena used to play well too? Do you really think so? Serena used to play very bad against Venus. No surprises for her victory. We actually never saw a match between them where both of them were 100% in form and healthy..

And I think we'll never see it, cause either sister will feel the resposability of playing the other, so it's likely impossible. I think if the only problem is Venus' second serve, I don't think the difference is that enormous. Just play with the first serve, and Venus is OK.. And even so, she didn't manage to win a match since 2001..

And Jelena to defeat Serena? Be serious! Jelena can play well for a set. Then on the next two, she'll fall as Iraq's bombs.. Don't expect Jelena to beat Serena.. To beat Serena u have to have a variety of shots! And Jelena certainly doesn't have that.. She just hits the ball hard.. And hits the ball hard.. Is that possible? obviously no! Risk her off the list


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Venus would be dominating Serena now if she were to fix her 2nd serve.
see what i mean!

and Clijsters would if she won her match points, right?!

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To me Clijster is still at least a tier below the Williames so I don't really count her much.

"I told her, `You don't want to get into a hitting battle with Sharapova, because it would be uneven for Sharapova, because Sharapova only has one good side and that's her backhand,"'. "`You don't want to get into that for the simple reason you would win. So try to hit some balls to her strong side, to her backhand, and that would help you with your match for tomorrow

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Because most Venus fans think Venus is a better player than Serena, I don't agree, I feel Serena is the better player of the two.
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I don't know Seles. To tell you the truth, I think Venus has as much of a chance to defeat her sister as do Jennifer or Kim. Or even Chanda on a good day. Venus has not defeated Serena in forever. Kim, Chanda and Patty are the ones that have more recently, I guess they are the ones I would think of if I were inclined to bet in the "who'll defeat Serena next" poll. Of course, it might be someone like Loit who gets the honors I hope it's someone like Loit actually.


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I would bet on someone that actually plays a bit differently, someone like Patty, Loit, Conchi etc of course Serena I feel can not be at her best for anyone to beat her. It is just if she is not playing well someone that gives her no rhythm in her shots will more likly have success, rather than someone who plays the same shots over and over and so letting Serena get her grove!

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