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Question Lindsay's change of coach: good or bad idea?

Lindsay Davenport's coaching change from Robert Van't Hof to future brother-in-law Rick Leach isn't going as well as planned.

she should have beaten Kim. i'd like to believe that under Robert's tutelage, she would have.

is this future brother-in-law arrangement hurting or helping Lindsay. Robert was her rock, her best friend.

are the Leach brothers just leeches possibly using her for her net worth?

or is Rick really a decent coach and sooner or later we'll start seeing results.

and if he's so good, which player before Lindsay did he coach to the top of the tour?

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Maybe she would have won this match under her old coach. But, she did not have that option, since Robert is the one who wanted to quit, in order to spend more time at home.

Lindsay is comfortable with her new coach because he is close to Robert and is on the same page with him. He is new to coaching, so there will be an awkward transition period as he gets used to what type of help Lindsay needs.

The "leech" part of your post, of course, is just rubbish; I don't know if it is intended to get a rise out of posters or just to be humorous, but I feel it falls a bit short in that department. Nice try, though!
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I think that it was just one big coincedence that would not have happened under most circumstances. I really wonder if the partnership b/w Linsday and Rick is a happy one, or if it's really just b/c Lindsay needed a coach and Rick just happened to be the future brother-in-law, so how could she say no?

She said in the interview yesterday that it was just that she needed someone to maintain the level she had already achieved, but she still needs someone who can push her back up to the level she was at at the end of 2001.

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Maybe she would have won this match under her old coach. But, she did not have that option, since Robert is the one who wanted to quit, in order to spend more time at home.

Lindsay is comfortable with her new coach because he is close to Robert and is on the same page with him. He is new to coaching, so there will be an awkward transition period as he gets used to what type of help Lindsay needs.

The "leech" part of your post, of course, is just rubbish; I don't know if it is intended to get a rise out of posters or just to be humorous, but I feel it falls a bit short in that department. Nice try, though!
sorry if i pissed ya off Janie but there has been precedent before of WTA players being exploited. Patty Schydner is probably the most famous example. and folks asked similar questions when Hingis started dating her attorney.

now since i don't know either Leach guy personally, i can't but ask. also i always think it's bad idea to mix business and pleasure which is what Lindsay seems to be doing, and i happen to like her so i hope she's not making a huge mistake.

as for Robert's public, gracious and classy statements, sorry but i never assume that what i read is the exclusive truth. if i were Robert, and i had gotten fired bec my student fell in love and finally got herself a boyfriend, i too would have been as charming, gracious and classy. that's just the kind of guy he is -- that does not mean that it is the full story.

sorry if my questions offend you janie-girl but i would be shocked if i was the only person to wonder about this.

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tennischick, I am not offended; I honestly thought you must be joking.

Lindsay herself said that when Robert told her he wanted out, she felt lost. Maybe you have missed some of these interviews where she discussed this. When it comes to Lindsay, I do tend to take what she says pretty much at face value because she has been known for years for her straightforwardness. Plus, to travel around the world all year would grow more and more difficult over time for a family man, so I believe them both.

Patty, on the other hand, is another stoy altogether, poor thing.
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tennischick, I am not offended; I honestly thought you must be joking.

Lindsay herself said that when Robert told her he wanted out, she felt lost. Maybe you have missed some of these interviews where she discussed this. When it comes to Lindsay, I do tend to take what she says pretty much at face value because she has been known for years for her straightforwardness. Plus, to travel around the world all year would grow more and more difficult over time for a family man, so I believe them both.

Patty, on the other hand, is another stoy altogether, poor thing.
actually it was thoughts of Patty that inspired my question and i am being perfectly serious.

yes i saw the interviews. in one she called him her anchor and said that she felt lost without him. but that does not mean that she may not have been influenced in her decision to let him go. of course this requires some scepticism on my part as to whether it was Robert's idea or Davey's. he was replaced awfully fast -- and by a man she repeatedly refers to not by his name but by their relationship ("my future brother-in-law"). this raises my hackles, sorry.

and while i can understand the desire to keep it all in the family, i'm still not sure that her choice of Leach was a good decision. perhaps it's too soon to tell.

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Didn't she say that Van't Hof recommended that it should be Rick who took over, that it was his idea?
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Even Lindsay won't know if it was a good decision for a while. But I think Lindsay just has zero interest in getting used to a brand-new coach, new approach, someone who does not know her or understand her ways, etc. Total comfort with her advisor, I believe, is her top priority.

If another guy could show her new things in tennis that Rick Leach can't, which may well be the case, then she is missing out. But I think Lindsay would rather take that chance than risk ending up with someone who annoys her or gives her the heebie-jeebies all over the globe!
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Rick never coached anyone before Lindsay. I wish Lindsay could convince Robert to coach her again.
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what are you talking about. LINDSAY lost that match herself and not because of a coaching change. seriously, Lindsay lost that match because of her emotions and frustration. now don't all gang up on me and start hating me because i mention Lindsay's body language, but it is true. i mean a coach can't really teach you that. he/she can tell you time and time again, but it's the player who has to find it in him/herself and use that. now Lindsay didn't do that so she lost the match. i mean she was playing a very good match so it's not like the new coach has changed anything. they even said that her new coach is just following in the footsteps of her former coach and he's not teaching her new things and not making her change her game. so therefore it can't be the coach who's the problem

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robert recommended rick to lindsay, which puts the issue to rest in my mind. also, for your question about rick's coaching successes, you would do well to note that robert van't hof never coached anybody to the top of the women's game before lindsay. he was just a former player turned coach, much like rick leach.

anyway, it's too early to say whether this has been a good move or not. however, it's worth noting that she is #3 in the race this year, so clearly things haven't been going too too badly.
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even if her former coach has sticked with Lindsay, he can't change Lindsay's mobility drastically and nobody can at this very late stage of her career. Lindsay will remain a force to reckon with in the big tournaments though but she will have a difficult time beating the top 3 players starting NOW.

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Now that she has spoken, I agree that Lindsay's loss yesterday had nothing at all to do with her coach.

Both her crankiness and her imperfect tennis had more to do with having to play at an unaccustomed early hour, and on short notice. Kim adjusted to the late schedule change better than Lindsay did, and props to her for that; endless adaptability is an important character trait for a tennis champion. But I can understand how it could make Lindsay cranky and out-of-sorts. I would be, too. But I don't think her attitude yesterday should be read to mean that she will be cranky in every future match, as some are interpreting it.
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I must say that it suprised me when they did break up. To be fair I think Lindsay i splaying okay, I dont think she is as good as she was when she left, but the game has moved on leaps and bounds since then.

Personally I think that yes she should have won more tours then she has done since her return, however I do not want to put down Kim, Patty or Maggie who all played really well against Lindsay, and deserved to win, especially Patty.

However Lindsays serve does seem to be getting more inconsistant.
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