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Was Venus being vendictive?

Well Venus won Antwerp against a player who was up against her sis 4-0, then Serena comes back and wins.

Now Venus goes up to 4-1 but Clijsters comes back and looks to even the match then Venus suddenly wins ending all hope...was Venus paying Clijsters back for that OZ semifinal match?


I know a lot of people gonna be upset at the question but just wanna ask.

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lmfao.

This is not a good example for the "it's pride, not arrogance" case.

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Well, dominant though she may be, I doubt even Venus can influence the score of a match in so detailed a manner. Clijsters' fight-back did, however, emphasise the problem she faces against the Williams sisters; whether she'd ahead or behind in the match, and even if she has the backing of the crowd as she did here and at the AO, she can never actually close out the win.

Ironic, of course, that her notable win over Serena in the WTA Championships final came before an American crowd, but I sensed when watching it that their attitude was a little ambivalent; I think they were supporting Kim as the match went on, simply because they realised what a gloriously improbable win it would be if she could do it.
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Yeah, VENUS was putting a message in the brain of the Belgian that will last a lifetime.
Just like they did to Cappy, Davey and Hingis.

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Well, dominant though she may be, I doubt even Venus can influence the score of a match in so detailed a manner. Clijsters' fight-back did, however, emphasise the problem she faces against the Williams sisters; whether she'd ahead or behind in the match, and even if she has the backing of the crowd as she did here and at the AO, she can never actually close out the win.

Ironic, of course, that her notable win over Serena in the WTA Championships final came before an American crowd, but I sensed when watching it that their attitude was a little ambivalent; I think they were supporting Kim as the match went on, simply because they realised what a gloriously improbable win it would be if she could do it.
What really amazes me is when you people find excues for the Americans when they support white forign(sp) players over their own Venus & Serena. There can be no excuse in this world for that abhorent behavior. Every country support their own under any circumstance except this racist America that is only if the opponents are black. I give Venus and Serena a lot of credit because I were in their position I would not play the Fed Cup. Why support a country that does not support me.
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What does vendictive mean?
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post #10 of 33 (permalink) Old Feb 17th, 2003, 01:53 PM
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gogo et. al would be grammer teachers...does it make you feel in some manner superior if you point out anothers spelling error?
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Great post Leslie.

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What really amazes me is when you people find excues for the Americans when they support white forign(sp) players over their own Venus & Serena. There can be no excuse in this world for that abhorent behavior. Every country support their own under any circumstance except this racist America that is only if the opponents are black. I give Venus and Serena a lot of credit because I were in their position I would not play the Fed Cup. Why support a country that does not support me.
Do you support Jennifer Capriati under any circumstances?
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post #13 of 33 (permalink) Old Feb 17th, 2003, 01:57 PM
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Good point leslie, but give the American crowd their due; I suspect even they want to see a little more competition at the top of the women's game and once in a while see someone who can beat the Williamses; not least of all, the other American players on the tour whom they support just as much when they see them play in matches.

Also, I have a feeling that people realised very early on during that final that Clijsters was in with a decent chance against Serena from the first few games, and she is very popular around the world even if she isn't American. And besides, they probably thought that Serena could do without winning the championships again that year, having won three out of four Slams in 2002, another five titles and finished the year undisputed world no. 1!

Oh, and I believe it's a misspelling of vindictive, gogomaggie.

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gogo et. al would be grammer teachers...does it make you feel in some manner superior if you point out anothers spelling error?
No no...you are misunderstanding me. I seriously asked the meaning of the word as I couldnt find it in my dictionary. I would be too flattered if I really had pointed out the mistake.. No..so what does it mean??

by the way, I'm trying to become an english teacher in my country.
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Leslie,

I think you are barking up the wrong tree. I have never supported Sampras or Agassi even when they are playing against foreign opponents -- or maybe especially when they are playing against foreign opponents. When Chris Evert was supreme, I rooted for Evonne. I loved Evonne and I didn't care for Chris. I ALWAYS wanted Bjorn Borg to demolish Jimmy Connors.

The only American born top player that I can think of off the top of my head that I adored and always wanted to win was Arthur Ashe. I loved that man. I still remember his Wimbledon win against Connors. Ashe was fabulous. I still get gushy about him. There will probably never be his like again in this world. What a special human being he was. I still miss everything about him.

I'm not arguing that America isn't racist. It is a great sadness for me that I probably won't live to see the end of that great injustice in America. All I am saying is that it seems I have always cheered for foreign tennis players over Americans.

I write this seriously to you, Leslie, because I feel the hurt under the anger in your post.
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