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post #1 of 49 (permalink) Old Feb 14th, 2003, 07:27 PM Thread Starter
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Why can't Justine beat Kim?

Okay, the title's obviously hyperbole. Justine HAS beaten Kim. Nonetheless, Kim's dominance of the head-to-head is indisputable.
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2002-01-07 Sydney            QF Clijsters       7-6 6-2 
2002-01-14 Australian Open   QF Clijsters       6-2 6-3 
2002-05-13 Rome              SF Henin-Hardenne  7-5 6-2 
2002-11-04 WTA Championships QF Clijsters       6-2 6-1 
2003-01-06 Sydney            SF Clijsters       6-2 6-3
Why is that? Kim lacks the big time offense of Venus and Serena. But she had a similar level of success vs Justine. That argues that what's beating Justine is defense.

Certainly, the three best retrievers on the tour are ranked ahead of her. And Justine herself is probably #4. Is it just that Justine can't hit enough winners vs these players? Is any one else coming along who can cover court with the top three? What can Justine do to compensate? She certainly doesn't want to go on losing 9 of every 10 matches to those currently ranked ahead of her.

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Surface. Plus Kim is that little bit better.

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I disagree rhz, it's not a mental thing at all (only perhaps the RG match)

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post #5 of 49 (permalink) Old Feb 14th, 2003, 07:33 PM
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surface.

Justine seems to struggle [for a top 10er] on hardcourts? Look at the US Open...only Slam not to reach the QF's.

Wait until clay. Justine will have a better chance. And shockingly, Justine seems to be better on grass
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I really don't know what to expect for tomorrows match...What I saw today from Justine was really amazing, almost the prefect match...She was agressive and hit a lot of winners. Kim wasn't that bad either but started slow and made a lot of UE's... In front of the homecrowd, I guess we will see 3 sets... Last meeting was much closer than the scoreline shows

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post #7 of 49 (permalink) Old Feb 14th, 2003, 07:44 PM
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1) As others have pointed out, surface. Kim is way overrated imo, but indoors favours her game over Justine's by some way, and she's superb on Rebound Ace.

2) Justine's game is still a work in progress. Kim seems to have reached a level which is excellent, but not one she can go much further from. Justine's game is much more complex and hasn't matured fully yet... it's a by-product of being able to hit so many shots.
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post #8 of 49 (permalink) Old Feb 14th, 2003, 08:02 PM
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It will be interesting. I think this is perhaps the best time in a while for Justine to beat Kim...but who knows....Kim is an awfully strong mental player.


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Justine will win this one; wanna know why? There's a pattern and their matches are fixed

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post #10 of 49 (permalink) Old Feb 14th, 2003, 08:09 PM
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Kim is JUST PLAIN BETTER than Justine. Period.
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Kim is JUST PLAIN BETTER than Justine. Period.
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Good one, RB!
Sartrista, are you mad? Kim overrated? She was number 3 last year and she's number 3 again. She confirmed her AO semi of last year. I thought that this "Kim is overrated" was past by now.
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People's ignorance. Kim is and will probably always be mentally tougher than Justine. That's the edge she has over Justine.

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If this is the way they've fixed their matches, Justine is a bad negotiator

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post #15 of 49 (permalink) Old Feb 14th, 2003, 08:20 PM
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That isnt their entire head to head, is it?
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