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Magnus Norman: Hingis Could Still Beat the Sisters!

FROM THE SIEBEL OPEN IN SAN JOSE, CALIF -- Martina Hingis’ former boyfriend, '00 Roland Garros finalist Magnus Norman, says that should the former Swiss No. 1 decide to come back, she could still challenge the Williamses for the top.

"I definitely think she can beat the Williams sisters if she works at it physically," said Norman. "I think the Williamses are mostly winning matches because they are stronger than they other girls and if she can work at that, she can beat them."


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cappy doesn't look less stronger as serena (and especially venus)

what's her record against them lately?

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why is it funny? hingis has a decent record against them esp until about a year or two ago, before she had injuries and stuff..

hingis can beat them again but can she go through the hard yards to get her game back to that old level and BEYOND (as magnus says she must do?)...obviously not

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He's got it half right at least. Venus doesn't look that strong

The sisters, and other power players, have the advantage of hitting the ball harder than the others, but it'd be pretty useless if they weren't skilled enough to hit inside the lines. Strength and speed together makes defence easier, however if you constantly guess wrong where the opponent will hit, speed won't save you.

How much tactics influence the success of a 'power player' can be endlessly debated of course.

But, it's easy to think it's all about power when Serena hits winners from behind the baseline while hitting just a meter or two from where the opponent were standing...

Not saying it is all about power, I'm just saying it's easy to perceive it that way.
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what I found funny was that he claimed Serena and Venus are winning most of their mathces because they are stronger-
like Lindsay, Kim,Jen Cap,Bovina, Amelie etc are weak little players.


In the early days people said they weren't smart enough, now they are too strong

Personally I think Martina can compete with Serena & Venus(and who knows manybe even win) IF she works on her game and her ankle is fully recovered. IMHO I think Martina is worried about other players. When Hingis withdrew from the Swiss tournament she had lost to Dementieva in Germany and Nadia in Russia.

For Martina to be able compete with the top players she needs to get through the lower ranked player first- unfortunately Martina isn't mentally nor phsically(because of her ankle injury NOT because of her size) up for the task.


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I totally agree. Yes, they are strong but that's not all. There are many "strong" players who aren't ranked in the top 10. Stevenson, Tulyaganova...just to name a couple. It takes a lot more than just strength. It takes mental discipline and consistency. You can't win one day and bomb out the next. Hell, Magnus should know!!

Watching the Serena-Amelie final in Paris last week...you can see that it's a lot more than just power. It's placement, angles, moving your opponent around, and tricking them.

Sure, I think that Martina would be a contender if she came back to the game and was at the level she was a couple of years ago. But it's not all about power, baby!

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Clearly Magnus doesn't watch much ladies tennis. For one he thinks V@S are all about power and every single player can tell you that it ain't so. Hingis included. Second of all, it is not all about Martina getting physically stronger. It's about MENTALITY in both cases and V@S are high on confidence and Hingis is low on confidence.

p.s. Hingis it seems **laid** the smack down on his azz, and now his head is messed up. LOL

Miss Hingis be toying with folks she probably had him all over the place like a King trapped between two Rooks. She is quite the tactition isn't she?

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Actually he's quite right. As far as I know , Hingis does have the skills required to beat the Williams. But she's not powerful enough to reach their super paced shots. And he's also right in the statement

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I think the Williamses are mostly winning matches because they are stronger than they other girls
Ofcorse pure power alone does not win you matches. But the balance and co-ordination that the Williams possess , is possessed by almost everyone in the top 20. It is undoubteldy the pace with which they hit their shots that gives them edge. If you dont believe me , you can ask any tennis expert or Mr. Richard Williams himself ,who designed this novel idea( and I dont mean this in the negative sense at all!)

But I think what Magnus Norman has not taken into account is that Hingis is still a small-framed girl , and can never generate the same power as that of the Williams. Sure if she will be physically upto it ,she would be able to fend of threats from Dementieva ,Myskina etc. as someone above stated ,but challenging the Williams on a regular basis ,is not really possible. When the Williams are on and not making errors , it is not possible for a girl of the size Hingis to beat them. Hence she may beat them occasionally ,but she can never get to the No.1 spot again. I am glad that she realised this and retired.
Before people bash Magnus Norman, you should realise that there's quite some truth in what he said. He didnt say that the Williams were unskilled ,but it was the power tht gave them the edge , which is true!

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I don't understand this comment coming from someone who should know better, surely the objective of a tennis player is to hit winners, no?. The fact is, the sisters level of play is far higher than anything Martina Hingis ever attained, maybe Magnus wants the girls to be tested for strength(stronger players must join the ATP).
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V@S are not winning matches because they are Physically stronger. That is not the main reason. V@S were strong in 1998 and they didn't win slams?

Kim,Jenn,Lindsay,Lina,Mirjana,Pierce,Seles,Momo,Bo vina,Vera, Vera,Elena. ALL HIT THE BALL HARD, ALL ARE STRONG LADIES AND V@S are not STRONGER than them as far as hitting the ball.

People should give the credit where it is due. V@S have speed and placement and controlled aggression. Great defensive games. Instead of stating they are great thinking tennis *players* people have to say it is their power that wins it. NOT!

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According to that genius, Magnus, then weightlifters and football players will dominate the ATP.

According to Norman, it must take no skill to keepa tennis ball in play or to hit various shots at will.

Now we know why he is not the #1 palyer on the ATP tour.

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They didnt win slams in 1998 , because they were starkly inconsistent ,and made so , many more errors.Besides it's true that they werent as technically sharp. And surely you have to be kidding when you say that Kim , Elena and Vera are power players on the same standrd as that of the Williams.They are Power Players no doubt ,and could beat relatively defensive players like Hingis ,but not the Williams on a regular basis! Prrof of this is the AO semifinal this year. Once Serena stopped making the errors , Kim was quite helpless! She just couldnt match the pace of Serena's shots ,and it was demolition from there onwards. She just could not reach the higly paced shots of Serena , and Serena was hitting winner after winner.Sure Kim did make errors out of frustration towards the end, but it was all on Serena's racquet to turn the match around. Stevenson and Co. are power players , but clearly not on the same power level as that of the Williams!Besides they do not possess the same skill as that of the top 15 players.
Among the top 10 , what gives the Williams the edge is their power, and I'm not just blabbering this stuff in sleep now , please ask any tennis expert if you want.

Anyways , I am not participating in this coversation anymore ,as I have to sleep. Besides these GM conversations involve a lot of bad language and are rarely based on logic. You guys enjoy yourselves
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