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why dont the women get "real" coaches?

Ever notice that the men have practically no interference from their parents? I think some parent coaches sometimes need to take a step back and let someone else help in areas they were not able to. Hingis, Serena, Venus, Jen just to name a few.

The men never seem to have this problem.

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Well is it really a problem ? These ladies you're listing have all been world#1
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i think it is a trust issue with the parents of having someone else with their daughter for so long a time.

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Well is it really a problem ? These ladies you're listing have all been world#1
This is so interesting because I just read in an old tennis magazine that in 1999 Jen had hired a real coach, Harold Solomon. Coincidently, she was quoted as saying,"she felt very professional for the first time in her career having a coach." If I'm not mistaken, that's exactly when she made her rise to world #1 and a couple of slams. Then dad reappears and we all know where this is headed.

As for the sisters...they received tremendous coaching all along including Rick macci during their formative years when according to every study ever published, most learning occurs. It was only a matter of time before their superior athletic genes were matched by improved stroke development...maybe it even took a bit longer to dominate than it might have...they were quite erractic for awhile letting others consistently off the hook early in their careers. What a scary thought!

As for Hingis...the most technically sound player of these four; was indeed actually trained by a real coach! Melanie was and still is a tennis professional. (Hence the intellectual, strategical and technical brilliance of "Smartina's game). That was her job long before Martina was born! I don't know what Stefano's job in real life is or Richard's for that matter or Oracene. But it's obvious to see who developed technically sound the quickest. Great mechanics took Martina very far until she was overcome by incredible athletic ability. But that's o.k., this is what's great about tennis on every level...play it to the best of your ability in spite of how good or poor the person on the other side of the net is.

I wonder if Stefano can borrow Richard's "book" now that his little girl has slipped again and is in desperate need of a real coach once again. Jennifer has so many little things going wrong with her serve...would love to see Stefano serve and more importantly...can he help her...most professionals think not.
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I think parents are more protective of girls then of boys

there are exceptions though Kiefer's mom had a lot of influence even when he was already a pro!

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I don't know what Stefano's job in real life is or Richard's for that matter or Oracene.
Real life? You think Stefano and Richard's lives have anything to do with reality? lol.

as for the original question, it essentially boils down to the fact that, whereas boys are trusted - and expected - to be independent as they grow up, girls have to be protected. Therefore, parents tend not to send their teenage daughter out on the road with a strange older man. Furthermore, girls begin their playing careers much earlier than boys.
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Not that I know from first hand experience, but I get this nasty feeling there are many predators on the women's tour. Maybe that's why staying away from a "real" coach is a trend.

Would I let my beautiful, innocent 17 year old girl to travel the world on her own with a 30+ year old man? I don't think so. I wouldn't like her getting too "real" with the coach.


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Not that I know from first hand experience, but I get this nasty feeling there are many predators on the women's tour. Maybe that's why staying away from a "real" coach is a trend.

Would I let my beautiful, innocent 17 year old girl to travel the world on her own with a 30+ year old man? I don't think so. I wouldn't like her getting too "real" with the coach.
I suspect you to be Daniela Hantuchova's Mom, lol
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There has been instances of coaches taking advantage of their situation with young players but I think the focus of this thread is why some established top players don't take the opportunity of working with coaches who could improve their game. To say that Martina, Venus, Serena, Jen do not need to worry about this becuase “they have all been number one” is missing the point completely. Take Venus for example, she has been number one, but she could be twice the player she is now (a scary prospect indeed!)

Jen’s major comeback started to kick in once she began to work with Soloman (but she got the big results after she split with him).

Coaches can just bring some new ideas and perspectives that can turn a player’s fortunes around. Lindsay, imo, managed to make the biggest improvement of any top player thanks largely to her coach Van t hoft (spelling!!) Monica’s work with Gavin Hopper helped to get her in fantastic shape during 1998. Graf and Navratilova, the 2 best players ever to play women’s tennis both had ‘external’ coaching.

IMO players who refuse to get coaching from outside parties do so because they do not want anyone to ‘rock the boat.’ Venus said that any new coach would just cause arguments and upset. A lot of top women players just want to stay in their comfort zone. They need familiarity, and whilst it may seem like the only way to go, I think that it is to their detriment. If you are not improving your game, moving forwards, then you are moving backwards!!
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Some are great like Richard, and yes I know he's had outside help. The confidence to "delegate" is a strength, not a weakness! Harold booted Jen, public statements to the contrary. The early riches were basically gone, and he'd only get real $ if this "difficult student" succeeded. She hooked up with Malisse, who can burn off junk food like an inferno (which she can't) and matched lousy diets with him. Ironically, they split right after and Stefano @ least had a fitness aware pupil. But he can't teach a serve toss for crap, and Daddy's girl won't "cut the cord". (Once she went winless after the '02 AO, inc. Serena owning her, the diet went along with her confidence, leading to all the upset losses). So now she's just Linzi minus the great serve. Melanie ain't bad, IMO, as Myriam may prove. Damir sux, which is why I say "give Heinz a chance". TRIVIA QUESTION: what parent has coached her own daughter (still, I think), and another "name player" in the WTA B4 that? (clue: same country)
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Those are poor examples. All those players are multiple GS winners. Whcih is to say their parents ahve done a better job coaching than most 'professional' coaches have done. Martina, Venus and Serena don't get new coaches because they like their results with the coaches they have.

Also, as has been written up more than once, adult (mostly male) coach f*ck their teenage female students far too often. As a parent, I'd make sure I was around too, for exactly that reason.

But let's be serious. You coach has the #1 and #2 ranked players in the world. Who are your students going to get who's better? Who's going to have a better resume? How many coaches have 9 GS titles among their students? Or five? Or three?

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Which players got fucked by their coaches : Julie Halard, Sandrine Testud, Martina Sucha, and who else ?
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