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post #1 of 18 (permalink) Old Feb 11th, 2003, 02:29 AM Thread Starter
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Serena completes the "Big 7"

With her win at the Aus. Open, Serena completes the "Big 7".

So, what is the "Big 7"? Here's the answer.

I consider these to be the "Big 7" titles:

1. Aus. Open
2. French Open
3. Wimbledon
4. U.S. Open
5. WTA Championships (aka Virginia Slims/Chase/Sanex Championships)
6. Miami
7. Indian Wells (tier 1 status from 1997-present)

Olympics are not included because not all the top players play in it.

I'm too lazy to look up info on players before Steffi Graf's era so I won't include them.

So, who has won all of these important titles? We shall take a look.

These are ordered from most complete to least complete. The stats are the number of times a player has won each of them.

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Serena Williams - Won them all.
                - Stats 1-1-1-2-1-1-2

Steffi Graf - Missing Indian Wells.
            - Stats 4-6-7-5-5-5-0

Martina Hingis - Missing French Open.
               - Has reached the final twice.
               - Retired for now.
               - Stats 3-0-1-1-2-2-1

Monica Seles - Missing Wimbledon and Indian Wells.
             - Has reached the Wimbledon final.
             - Gets tougher to win it with each passing
               year.
             - Stats 4-3-0-2-3-2-0

Lindsay Davenport - Missing French Open and Miami.
                  - Can win Miami.
                  - Clay is her worst surface so French
                    Open is very tough to win.
                  - Stats 1-0-1-1-1-0-2

Venus Williams - Missing Aus. Open, French Open,
                 WTA Championships, and Indian Wells.
               - Has reached the final of Aus. Open and
                 French Open.
               - Can win all of them sooner or later.
               - Stats 0-0-2-2-0-3-0

Arantxa Sanchez-Vicario - Missing Aus. Open, Wimbledon,
                          WTA Championships, and
                          Indian Wells.
                        - Has reached the final of
                          Aus. Open twice and Wimbledon
                          twice.
                        - Retired.
                        - Stats 0-3-0-1-0-2-0

Jennifer Capriati - Missing Wimbledon, U.S. Open,
                    WTA Championships, Miami, and
                    Indian Wells.
                  - Stats 2-1-0-0-0-0-0

Mary Pierce - Missing Wimbledon, U.S. Open,
              WTA Championships, Miami, and Indian Wells.
            - Stats 1-1-0-0-0-0-0

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You need to keep in mind in the late 80's/early 90's Indian Wells wasn't a big tournament at all. I think it was only a tier II called "Evert Cup", so I don't think a big 7 really exists.

Also formerly Key Biscayne (Lipton International Players' Championship) now Miami, used to be a much bigger tournament than it is now, it was the virtual 5th slam in terms of player participation.




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Darn, there goes my work out the window.

So, Indian Wells used to be smaller and Miami used to be bigger? I didn't know that.

But Miami was always the biggest tier 1, right?

Then what was the second biggest tier 1 before Indian Wells? Not that many people here would know, I guess.
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Was Rome always a big tournament?

Venus-Serena-Roger

Kuzy/Vika/Sharacoco?!?


clay season will ALWAYS be the speed bump in front of the grass season.

Tennis without Serena is like cornflake without the milk!
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Darkheart, not necessarily, I think it's interesting how the two players who's won them all (4 slams) have also won everything else, and that there's some needing a few slams to complete their collection

aisha, Rome (the Italian Open) began in the 1960's I think, and as far as I know it has always been a huge preparation event in lead up to the French Open.




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I'll just drop off Indian Wells. Too much work to adjust anything.

So now it's the "Big 6".
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Why don't all the top players play the Olympics? I the only time I can think of a top player NOT playing was in 2000, when Hingis chose not to play.

Plus, you also have to take into consideration that countries are only allowed so many players. The USA is in a pickle. Venus, Serena, Lindsay, Monica, Jennifer, Chanda. How do they choose? Rankings. To me, it should be included
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It's seven. Just because there is a boycott on Indian Wells (its not like someone tried to kill her there), there's no sense in trying to undermine its #7 status. Actually, you could call it "big 9" if you want, because Rome is #8, and the Canadian Open is, IMO, #9. And Serena has won them all. Give Monica credit for being in the Final of Wimbledon, winning Indian Wells, and winning the other 7 at least twice each, despite the attack on her career.

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I was going to say yeah keep it as "Big 7" cause clearly Indian Wells is the 7th biggest tournament NOW.

I was just noting how it wasn't in the past.




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Why don't all the top players play the Olympics? I the only time I can think of a top player NOT playing was in 2000, when Hingis chose not to play.
Hingis did not "choose" not to play. She was not permitted, because she had not played Fed Cup recently enough. Mary Pierce, ditto, and she was in the top 10 at the time. Nathalie Tauziat was also in the top 10, and was excluded from the French team because her potential teamates all hated her. Serena Williams was not permitted to enter, because the 4th highest ranked American wasn't good enough even if she was top 10, whereas an Italian ranked below #100 was needed to round out their 3 player team.

The Olympics is a Tier II.

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I'm not including the Olympics because:

1. Each country is limited to a certain number of players. USA is the best example there.

2. Top players can still skip it. It's not required. No ranking points, no prize money. Some players who are banged-up can stay at home and rest for 2 weeks.

3. There are actually regular tour events going on at the same time as the Olympics. Some players (#11-#30) play in those events instead of the Olympics.

4. It only comes once every 4 years so a player only has 2 good (prime years) chances to win it. That's just not enough.

5. As disposablehero said, some players are not allowed to play or choose not to play for certain "political" reasons.
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Okay, I'll change it back to the "Big 7", no more.

I'll add more stats later.
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lol I can't keep track of the thread heading


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I've added the stats.
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