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Have you noticed that people seem to be more aware that Martina is gay than Momo?

Since Amaelie publicly told the world that she was a lesbian, the whole matter seemed to be a non issue, outside of Hingis calling the Frenchwoman a"half-man" on one silly instance.

But somehow, seeing Martina Navratilova seems to constantly remind us that she is gay. That is obviously due to the fact that she is so outspoken on gay rights issues, Dates to hold the Oz Open and if dogs should be allowed on courts.

Will Raymond and Stubbs come out in the open or will they just people know what they know?
Will other WTA players come out as well?
Better still. I think no one should come out because what a person does whith another consenting adult does not need to be broadcast to the world because it is not necessary that the world needs toknow that particular bit of information.

The positive side of this issue seems to be that people do not really seem to care what one's sexual preference is as long as it something that is kept personal and the person has an oh-so-sweet onehanded backhand.

Just some random post Aussie Open thoughts.

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Why does everybody assume that Raymond and Stubbs are lesbians?
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Maybe cos Martina was the first successful tennis star who was out, and maybe because she was so SUCCESSFUL (167 singles titles), and maybe cos she was more outspoken and didnt care about damaging her reputation/losing endorsements.

As for awareness re:momos sexuality i think its very well known (thanks to Hingis maybe) considering she never got anywhere near the media publicity martina got, and why should she? she hasnt even won a slam.

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Re: Have you noticed that people seem to be more aware that Martina is gay than Momo?

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I think no one should come out because what a person does whith another consenting adult does not need to be broadcast to the world because it is not necessary that the world needs to know that particular bit of information.
WRONG. It is very necessary, so that people have to acknowledge that gay people are everywhere, and so that gay kids dont grow up thinking that they are alone and have some sense of self worth in a society that marginalises them.

No one should come out because nobody needs to know?!? By that token, shouldnt we all wear paper bags over our heads so nobody knows what colour we are?

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I think no one should come out because what a person does whith another consenting adult does not need to be broadcast to the world because it is not necessary that the world needs toknow that particular bit of information.
and if people like martina and ellen degeneres and all the people who marched in parades and came out to their friends and family decades ago and were beaten to death for it had that same attitude as you, there would have been no progress made for gay rights and awareness whatsoever

young gay people who are killing themselves or beeing rejected by their own families and kicked out of the house, the only minority in the world who experiences that, need role models and they need to be convinced that they are not the low life abominations that everyone tries to make them feel like they are.... they need to know there's other people out there like them

it is something that you, as a heterosexual, will never understand.. because you don't even realize that your sexual preference is no secret personal thing either... you are able to be in public with your girlfriend and attend family gatherings with her and hang out with friends together with her and feel no hatred or ridicule from other people at all for it... so why should gay people have to keep their romantic lives so hidden and secretive just because it makes you more comfortable not to know about it?
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and if people like martina and ellen degeneres and all the people who marched in parades and came out to their friends and family decades ago and were beaten to death for it had that same attitude as you, there would have been no progress made for gay rights and awareness whatsoever

young gay people who are killing themselves or beeing rejected by their own families and kicked out of the house, the only minority in the world who experiences that, need role models and they need to be convinced that they are not the low life abominations that everyone tries to make them feel like they are.... they need to know there's other people out there like them

it is something that you, as a heterosexual, will never understand.. because you don't even realize that your sexual preference is no secret personal thing either... you are able to be in public with your girlfriend and attend family gatherings with her and hang out with friends together with her and feel no hatred or ridicule from other people at all for it... so why should gay people have to keep their romantic lives so hidden and secretive just because it makes you more comfortable not to know about it?

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Ooh, same sentiment, but better argued Poe

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Very very well said, Poe!!!

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u can till it was written by a Poe(et). Very well articulated and good points.

Good luck to the Aussie and Balkan girls!
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Re: Re: Have you noticed that people seem to be more aware that Martina is gay than Momo?

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No one should come out because nobody needs to know?!? By that token, shouldnt we all wear paper bags over our heads so nobody knows what colour we are?
I think the point of the original comment was that what 2 people do with eachother is their own business, regardless of sexuality. The stuff about kids commiting suicide and being disowned by their families has no relation to the number of people who publicly come out. These issues exist for the same reason as race issues: too many stupid people in the world who are not willing to accept that different doesn't mean bad
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I think no one should come out because what a person does whith another consenting adult does not need to be broadcast to the world because it is not necessary that the world needs to know that particular bit of information.
So ...
NO ONE should hold hands with their lover in public, neither gay nor straight.
NO ONE, gay or straight, should kiss in public.
No walking with your arms around one another. No pictures on desks at work. No embrace in the airport during a joyous re-union.

Ugh, what an awful world.

Who wants to live like that, Tee? Seriously.

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Re: Re: Re: Have you noticed that people seem to be more aware that Martina is gay than Momo?

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The stuff about kids commiting suicide and being disowned by their families has no relation to the number of people who publicly come out.
Thats totally incorrect. Ask any gay person and they'll tell you that one of the hardest parts of growing up was feeling alone, and dirty and ashamed, and that they are never going to meet anyone like them. Hell, theres enough anguished threads about this sort of thing in the non-tennis forum if you want to go and have a search.

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Its true that more people notice Martina is gay than Amelie. I've heard Nav get called names before, but i havent heard anything been said about Amelie, even though they are both openly gay. Not sure why that is.
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Its because Mauresmo fits the conventional male-centric image of what a typical (attractive?) woman should look like. I wonder if she'd still not be getting any comments if she shaved off her feminine locks and grew some armpit hair?

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