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post #1 of 22 (permalink) Old Jan 25th, 2003, 09:29 PM Thread Starter
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Serena vs Venus: My opinion

Serena is better at looking at Venus as an opponent, maybe it's because she's the younger one? You see Serena being angry, she wants every damn point out there, heck looking at her she wouldn't mind going to the other side of the net & punch Venus right in the face, if that's what it would take to win the match. It's as if she's able to completely forget who she's playing and wants to kick Venus' ass. Heck she even said "you fucking bitch" after Venus hit an ace.

However I feel that Venus isn't like this against Serena. Most of the time she seems to have a smile on her lips, it's like she's playing her sister, she can't simply look at Serena and be angry, or 100% intense. I think it's maybe because she's the older sister and she always has protected Serena. She doesn't have the attitude to go all out on her sister.

Anyways as a viewer that's what I notice.
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Well Venus is more reserved IMO. But the match yesterday proved to me that she saw Serena as a straight up competitor and the sister thing went out the door. She was determined to win this match, but Serena was just merciless out their last night. Venus wasn't giving up though, she was fighting it out. But I think more than anything Serena wanted the Serena slam and IMO nothing not even big sis would stop her.

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I agree..kinda. If Venus goes all out and do whatever it takes to win, like she does against other opponents..she would have won that final. Also, it's a mental issue I think that does not allow her to perform at her best. She just plays very tentative against Serena.

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thats just who venus is i guess, but i would like to see her more hungry to win when playing her sister.

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I hate to say it but I think you're right. What clinched it for me was when she let that point go without playing it. Yes serena thought it was out but it was not called out and venus no matter what should have played the point unless the linesman or chair called it out.

I was thinking, "would she not play a point if lindsay or someone else did that?" no I dont think she would. that sucks. Who knows that one point could have changed the whole tie break!
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I agree with selesrules and jackson. Last night, I think that Venus had the best opportunity to win out of all the other finals that they've played in. At crucial moments in the match where Venus needed that killer instinct, you know the one that she comes out on court with against all the other girls on the tour, she couldn't muster it up from anywhere. I think that it's gonna take Venus much longer than it took Serena to become comfortable playing against her. That's why I think Venus should enter more tournaments that Serena does in order to get more used to playing against her in these finals. Only when Venus becomes totally comfortable out there, is when we'll see her best tennis against Serena, and only then will we see some amazing match ups between them.

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Yep i agree too i've thought it since Roland Garros.the reason Serena has won the past 4 slams is she really wanted to win them sister or no sister.

Venus was more oh well if i loose my sister will win.Not yesterday though she did want it she just had a horror day with her forehand!

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Oh, and another point that was critical and Venus was affected by Serena's presence was on that point in the 3rd set when Serena had returned one of Venus's shots and Vee was coming in to put it away, and Serena slipped, and Venus totally missed the shot. I think she saw Serena go down out of the corner of her eye and took her eyes off the ball. That would have been an easy winner since Serena would not have been in the picture to play it. After the point, Venus was clearly upset that she'd let that one get away.

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I agree with all the viewpoints posted and think that once Venus gets better at viewing Serena as someone to be beat down and not my little sister whom I've taken care of all her life, then she'll be more aggressive. But on the other hand, Serena is just a very aggressive person much moreso than Venus. Venus may never exhibit the kind of aggression we want her to but I'd be happy with just enough to win the match. Think about the aggression she mustered at the Championships in those last few games against Seles, that's what she needs against Serena. I hope she follows through with her vow to work on her serve and then dominates the rest of the year. GO VENUS!!

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Maybe this match will be kind of a wake up call for Venus, just when Serena had a wake up call when she like, number 10 of the world. She realized she had to work harder in order to be number 1, and thats what she did. So maybe Venus needs to do something now.

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I totally agree with you Selesrules. If Venus thought of Serena as a competitor yesterday, there is no doubt in my mind that Venus would have won easily. The problem is, she doesn't think that way and Serena does. So of course Serena is gonna win.

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Your all right

Venus will be back, but this definately shows progress
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post #13 of 22 (permalink) Old Jan 25th, 2003, 10:33 PM
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I agree....just compare the other Venus matches vs the Williams/Wiliams final. Venus was totally dominant in her QF and SF matches. She played more aggressive "kick ass" tennis. Vs Serena, Venus just takes it easy. She plays "I always look out for Serena" tennis and ends up throwing the match. Venus plays a totally different game when playing someone other than Serena. On the court, Venus still sees Serena as a friend while Serena views Venus as a foe.
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On the court, Venus still sees Serena as a friend while Serena views Venus as a foe.
Actually according to Serena's own words during the match, she sees Venus on the tennis court as a bitch. LOL

Venus has to learn to do the same, sometimes after Serena hits a great shot, you see Venus similing as if she's proud of her little sister. On the other hand if Venus is the one who does a great shot, you see Serena very upset. Venus has to learn to forget who she's playing and have that killer instinct against her little sister.
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Venus is a completely different person to serena. you never see her get all fired up or yelling (although she does have a powerful grunt on her). Thats just the person she is, i dont think that part has anything to do with her playing her sister.
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