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Should there be weight divisions in tennis?

ok I know this may sound like a ridiculous idea , but after watching the doubles final my mind really changed.
I initially wanted V/S to win , but after watching Vivi and Paola , my heart fell for them. They had some brilliant stratergies and game plans , which were being executed perfectly. Watching these players was a pleasure.

And then I noticed that Venus and Serena simply used their muscle power. There was not much doubles stratergy used. I wonder how much they had practised as a team(?)

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If you play power tennis , the only stratergy involved is to get the ball on the other side of the net
As blunt as it may seem , this makes some sense. I realised that in the Kim match , it was all on Serena's racquet. As long as Serena's powerful shots reached the other side of the net , Kim could do nothing about it.
Tennis is essentially like a game of chess , where you have to use the right combinations or spins and shots to outwit your opponent. But essentially when it comes down to power ,stratergy doesnt count , as you've just got to pray that opponent makes the error.

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If you you have the ability, with one shot, to put a ball where your opponent can't return it (due to placement/speed/whatever), what kind of "strategy" is it to hit the ball so that they can retunr it? To give them a chance to put the ball where YOU can't return it?

Is that strategy or stupidity? No truly smart player is going to use three shots (and provide 3 opportunities for error) where one will do.

That's an interesting viewpoint , but you know what? When you are facing the super-fast serves of Serena , unless you have an IQ of 180 , you cannot plan any of your shots , and people have to just impulsively hit them. Sure , when you have the time , you can plan your shots , but when playing against a powerful person , you obviously wouldnt have the time to think at all.

Yes I know that Patty and Justine have beaten Serena , but let's face it , that's been only because of the rusty form of Serena.
In short , when the Williams are hitting the shots powerfully , and not making errors , there's nothing that even a highly intellegent person can do. There is no answer to Power in general.

As much as I appreciate the sheer genius of Richard Williams , in identifying the significance of power, this is a huge disadvantage to small players. Now , a person under 5'8" can never ever become No.1 in the world. Power has now become an integral part of women's tennis , and that is why I feel there should be weight divisions.

Like sports in Greco-Roman wrestling , if two people weighing 200 pounds each played each other , there would be some stratergy involved. Both people in this case , as equally equipped , and it comes down to your speed and moves.

But say , if a 200 pound person , were playing a 100 pound person , there would be no stratergy involved. The 200 pound person has to just push the smaller person , and he's done.

There has been a lot of talk of mixing the game , that would probably upset power players , but it actually it would not.
These tall , powerful players would easily reach out to the ball , and smack it on the other side.
If there were two or more weight divisions , we will be seeing more interesting matches. The power players will play amongst themselves , and will have to use stratergy to outwit each other.
And smaller girls who simply cannot become power players , can play among themselves , and develop their own stratergies.
Right now , you will see some upsets in a blue-moon , but in the long run , only the tall and big players will continue to dominate.
I am in no way trying to put down the achievements of Venus and Serena ,but right now , we have just 2 , but soon everyone in the top 100 maybe made up of such players , and people below 5'6" will have no hope.
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Well as far as I know , beauty doent help you in making better shots...
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And most importantly race divisions. lets just put the truth out there. Shyt why beat around the bush?
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I'm starting to think we should divy up fans into certain catagories.

Has anyone seen nitwit ideas like this posted about the men?

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What about hair division. Blondes on one side, Brunettes on the other and the brown hair girls on yet another side.

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Well race doesnt help you in making better shots too...
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Monica Seles plays power tennis.
Jennifer Capriati plays power tennis.
Lindsay Davenport plays power tennis.
Jelena Dokic plays power tennis.
Kim plays power tennis.


also richard williams did not identify the significance of power. Martina N began the power game followed by monica and steffi. monica is ALL baseline power.

only the tall and big players will dominate? didn't justine just beat lindsay!

also the strategy of power players is not just to get the ball on the otherside of the net. there is such a thing called placement, nailing the corners, painting the lines. that takes skill, but i guess you think the ball magically hits the lines and corners.

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But say , if a 200 pound person , were playing a 100 pound person , there would be no stratergy involved. The 200 pound person has to just push the smaller person , and he's done.
thats really a laugh. how do u explain juju beating lindsay? how do you explain martina h whipping venus and serena last year at the ao? face it you can't. its not about power at all, its about skill and execution. whoever executes their game to the greater degree will most likely win.

funny that you dont see this discussion on the mens side of the game. i wonder why that is.

sorry but power doesnt help you make better shots. skill does. once again i point out lucic. she has just the same power as the top ten gals but does that help her? please explain that to me?
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So weighing a few extra pounds helps u make better shots? WTF Is that why Lindsay is struggling because of her new weight loss?
What a revelation!
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Nor do the kind of fans or kind of hair help in making better shots.
Power does. Does that make sense?
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deftman, how do you explain the succes of the roachus brohters of belgium? they have beaten guys twice their size and weight. please explain that.

you can't just simplify the issue with juvenille thinking. "oh she's bigger so she's going to win." "oh shes stronger so she's going to win." Tennis is not arm wrestling, if you haven't figured that out by now then I'm thinking you dont know much about the sport.
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So u think skill, fitness, work ethic, determination, athleticism, and strategy have nothing to do with shot making? just power huh? and when exactly did all of this epiphany hit you like a ton of bricks?

Not to mention mental toughness. we saw alot of mental toughness on display this fortnight to know that it plays a huge part.
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Bingo.

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You have got to be kidding if you state that power does not matter at all.
Sure juju beat lindsay , Patty beat Serena , Kim beat Venus .
There are 1000's of factors that count in a match. If your opponent is rusty , no matter how powerful he/she is , you win the match.
But in the long run , power is what has distinguished these players from the rest. If you saw the doubles match yesterday , you would understand what I meant. Despite the best of stratergy from V/P , they didnt have any answers to the power of Venus and Serena. It isnt possible to have an answer as such. In the same way , I dont think Hingis could ever beat Venus /Serena , unless they suck on that day. She is a master strategist , but whent the ball comes your way quick , you dont have the time to think

And Monica and Jennifer are no doubt power players , but clearly not as powerful as the Williams. If you have noticed , they have often been overpowered by the Williams. For that matter , even Venus has been overpowered by Serena , the last few times.
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There ARE weight divisions in tennis.

Everyone else has to 'wait' til Venus and Serena are done winning.

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just plain stupid...

I'm so SICK of people whining about power tennis.

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