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Now Clijsters must fight off the media title of being a "choker'

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The media waited 15 minutes before turning on their former darling and have put Clijsters in the Chokers club along with the most infamous choker, Jana Novatna.



If Kim did not already have enough pressure on her with the tour itself and being named as the one to stop the WILLIAMS, now the media has hung the title of choker around her neck.

The vicious cycle has begun as more pressure is heaped on Kim and with every GS title that she doesn't win, the more pressure that will be piled upon this unfortunate athlete.

Both VENUS and SERENA have said playing the matches is easy compared to the pounding that the tour forces them to take from the media at every tournament in which they compete.

The media will be sure to add more pressure to Clijsters and Capriati to produce as the Roland Garros Grand slam now will loom larger with every media word spoken or printed.

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no offense to Kim, but how is she such a great player?? her serve is soft and she seems to wilt (choke) under pressure. she may be a great player one day, but she needs time to mature.

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well a ot of players face those time, remeber Venus in 1998, 1999 when she did well in small tourneys but fail in big tourney, and after 1999 US Open, the media is jumping on her? I am sure Kim will do just fine

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and lets not forget that serena was TERRIBLE about closing out matches for a while.
terrible at it.
now look at her...

i'm less worried about the media hyping it than I am about Kim getting over it. these things can linger in the brain...
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Before, during and after every future SERENA/Clijsters match the media will bring up this come from behind victory by SERENA.
It will definitely take a GS win to get this choker title off of Kim, but she should prevail in the near future.

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That's very true TeeRexx, I like Kim and she doesn't get caught up in the trash talk like other contenders.

I hope Venus will show no mercy to little sis in the final, 3 in a row is too much.

Yep.....good to see Vee on the go.
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Zenith - VENUS may stop little sis, but then she may decide to go on a three or four GS run herself.

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Serena really lifted her play after going down 1-5 - what did she have left to lose???

Kim's service game at 4-5 was pretty awful but I think it was more about the incredible pressure that 'error free' Williams tennis was putting on her than just an outright choke.

Serena played shocking tennis to go down 1-5 and totally turned it around being virtually error free from that moment.

These players that win multiple slams and get to #1 don't get there without being unbelievable competitors......Kim's moment will come - it just wasn't meant to be yesterday.

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Um, did the person who claimed Kim was not a very good player with a soft serve actually watch any of the last 3 weeks of tennis?

I'm not claiming she'd Serena-level just yet but she has played some outstaning tennis and she can beat anyone except the top two easily, basically.

Onto the subject though, I think she'll be OK. She's very well balanced and she is after all very young. She didn't choke in her RG final loss, so it's not really a pattern yet. If it happened 2 or 3 times in a row, I'd maybe worry. As it is I think people will remember Serena's comeback better (and it WAS an amazing comeback).
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kim is a really good player, but to say that she could beat capriati or seles easily is kinda exaggerating! it would be a tough match and kim wouldn't be blown away but neither would cap or moni
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It's unfortunate that the media is trying to judge Kim so quickly. Having said that, I saw most of the match last night (I just couldn't bear to watch past 4-1 in the third ), I can't help believing that in that match Kim had to have choked. She was simply playing too good. But, one choke does not a choker make. Kim should keep her head up. She's an outstanding tennis player. She's without doubt of the three best players on the tour.

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I don't see why Kim has to fight off the "Choker" title when she didnt choke.

If you call keeping the ball in play and not hitting any winners "playing too good" then I guess she did choke.

I've said it before and I'll say again. She didnt choke because the match was never in her hands. It was always up to Serena. Points either ended with a Serena UE or winner (there were very few forced erors). Kim played passive up until she led 5-1 and played passive from 5-1 to 5-7. When someone maintains their same level of play for an entire match...how is that a choke.

I've been going back and forth here on the board and in real life with people all day about the true definition of choke. Glad to see that their are lots of differing opinions here as well.

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It will be interesting to see how clijsters plays the remaining slams this year and if she can get over that amazing SERENA comeback.

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I think it would be very interesting to be inside Kim's head right now and to know what she really thinks about all of this. If she honestly doesn't believe she choked, that's a great thing for her. If she just said that for the media, though, I'd love to know if she thinks it was all her, or if it was part her and part Serena.
With some of the things that have come out in the press, I think how she bounces back in the next few weeks is going to be very important. If she keeps up her high level of play, once again, good for her. If she loses a few matches, though, it could be interesting.
In all honesty, though, I'm not really that worried about her. I think that, even if she has a few difficulties, having the support group she does (Is there anyone in that group who wasn't a decent athlete at some point?) will be a great help to her.
On a side note: I know that people give her father a hard time, sometimes, but I think that right now, if she has any doubts in her mind about this match, then he's going to have to be the one to help her through it.
And I agree wholeheartedly that some members of the media are being far too harsh with her. Kim is still only nineteen for goodness sake; give her a break. The Jana Novotna comparisons were not at all necessary. She blew a big lead, so what? Every other player out there has done the same thing at one point or another. I think that people forget this, because she's so good, but Kim's only been on tour since the middle of '99. That's just three-and-a-half years. How many other players have been able to do what she's done in that amount of time? When compared with Serena and Venus, she's not that experienced. Give her a little more time. This wasn't meant to be her tournament, but I honestly think that her time is going to come, and I think it will be sooner, rather than later.
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For Kim life is just not about tennis so maybe thats why shes not taking it as seriosuly as some people on the board are.

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