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Hantuchova - overrated?

Not intended as a bashing thread.. Neither I am jumping bandwagons because of todays loss - I was saying that for quite a while..

Anyways.. Don't you think that in Hantuchova we have another very overrated player?

She is #5 for chrissake..

Has she ever beaten Venus? Serena? Lindsay? Monica? Jennifer? Kim?

It looks like in her rankings we are just getting another dokic-like bubble not backed up by ability to beat top players..
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Of course she's over rated. She has NEVER beaten Venus. She is 0-5 lifetime against V. BTW: Venus has a COMBINED career head-to-head record of 23-3 against Hantuchova, Capriati, Mauresmo, Clijsters, and Henin (all top ten players by the way) WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU?

REPEAT: 23-3 or .885. Yet Shriver, Hernandez, Drysdale, and Carillo keep brazenly lying to viewers that these players are "genuine threats" against Venus. Who do they think they are kidding with their BS? Give me a break!!
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I don't think she's overrated. In another thread, someone asked if she will be this year's Dokic. Small difference with Dokic. Look at the Slam results

Dani:
FO-4th
WB-QF
US-QF
AO-QF

Dokic:
FO-QF
WB-4th
US-2nd
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I think she's great. Her big win is still coming.
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lol! Just knock it on our heads!

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She hasn't had any of the big wins yet. She's never beaten Serena, Venus, Kim, Jennifer, Monica or Lindsay (plus a losing record against Momo)..but she's still young, I just think it'll take a little more time. But she is definatly not #5 material right now!
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NOt at all she is a great player, she will just have to improve her serve and movement just a bit and she will be a real threat

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Look at her H2H:
Jennifer Capriati
2001-02-19 Oklahoma City Indoor Hardcourt SF Jennifer Capriati (USA) 6-4 3-6 6-2
2001-08-13 Toronto Hardcourt R32 Jennifer Capriati (USA) 5-7 7-5 6-2

Monica Seles
2002-05-27 Roland Garros Clay R16 Monica Seles (USA) 6-4 7-5

Serena
2002-06-24 Wimbledon Grass QF Serena Williams (USA) 6-3 6-2
2002-08-26 U.S. Open Hardcourt QF Serena Williams (USA) 6-2 6-2

Venus
2001-06-25 Wimbledon Grass R64 Venus Williams (USA) 6-3 6-2
2002-01-14 Australian Open Hardcourt R32 Venus Williams (USA) 3-6 6-0 6-4
2002-08-19 New Haven Hardcourt SF Venus Williams (USA) 6-3 6-3
2003-01-13 Australian Open Hardcourt QF Venus Williams (USA) 6-4 6-3

Clijsters
2000-05-15 Antwerp Clay R32 Kim Clijsters (BEL) 7-6(6) 6-1
2002-10-07 Filderstadt Indoor Hardcourt F Kim Clijsters (BEL) 4-6 6-3 6-4

Henin-Hardenne
2001-12-31 Gold Coast Hardcourt R16 Justine Henin-Hardenne (BEL) 1-6 6-0 6-3
2002-03-04 Indian Wells Hardcourt R16 Daniela Hantuchova (SVK) 6-3 6-3
2002-08-26 U.S. Open Hardcourt R16 Daniela Hantuchova (SVK) 6-1 3-6 7-6(4)
2002-09-23 Leipzig Indoor Carpet QF Justine Henin-Hardenne (BEL) 6-4 7-5


Mauresmo
2001-05-14 Rome Clay R16 Amelie Mauresmo (FRA) 6-2 3-6 6-3
2002-07-20 Fed Cup (WG-QF) FRA vs. SVK Indoor Carpet RR Daniela Hantuchova (SVK) 2-6 6-4 6-3
2002-08-12 Montreal Hardcourt SF Amelie Mauresmo (FRA) 6-2 7-6(3


Now, really the ONLY player NOT to struggle against her is Serena. However, the Wimbledon match was VERY close. Much closer then the score indicates.

To me, she reminds me of the Williams sisters when they first came along. So much talent, but not a lot of expierence. Once she has been on tour for a while, she will start winning this close matches.
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They are showing her match against Venus on ESPN right now, and the commentators are going on about what will it take for Dani to make top 5. They truly suck...she's already there.

I think she deserves #5 because she earned the points. But players like her and Dokic are the reason why people question the ranking system. Here Dani is #5 and she has no wins over the top players and holds only one title. Same for Dokic, but at least she has a few titles. Dani does have better showing than Dokic at the slams.

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haha the commentators are pretty funny..they have made quite a few mistakes..personally I liked Mary Joe saying that Kim has reached her career high #4..close Mary Joe lol

Maybe they arn't informed of the updated rankings
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wta should not put any player on #3 #4 #5......

#1 and #2 are the williams and then WTA should start with #15 again

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Dani is still young that is true but it really annoys me when people use that as an excuse for her not yet having a big win, because hello Kim is actually the same age in fact even a few months younger

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They are showing her match against Venus on ESPN right now, and the commentators are going on about what will it take for Dani to make top 5. They truly suck...she's already there.

I think she deserves #5 because she earned the points. But players like her and Dokic are the reason why people question the ranking system. Here Dani is #5 and she has no wins over the top players and holds only one title. Same for Dokic, but at least she has a few titles. Dani does have better showing than Dokic at the slams.
The ranking system is working just fine. I really do not see what the problem is here. #5 is about where Dani deserves to be at the moment. Who deserves to be conclusively infront of her when judged by any standard? The fact is that she holds the #5 rank very narrowly from Mauresmo and Capriati - they are within 110 pts of eachother so they are more of less on an equal footing - Dani is only technically ranked superior. Lets go through the contenders for #5

Capriati -

0 titles

GS Record
SF QF QF 1r = 960

Finals Miami, Montral (tier1) and tier 1 semis @ Berlin, Rome and Charleston and semis @ the tour champs

Mauresmo

2 titles ( Tier I beating then world #3, Tier II)

GS Record
4r SF SF DNP = 1216 pts

Dokic and Seles' performances of the past year do not approach the records of these three.

Dani has earnt 1070 pts in Grand Slams while reaching three quarterfinals (only Seles, Capriati, Venus and Serena have achieved that feat in the past year) and the round of 16 in each grandslam (only Venus and Serena have achieved that feat). Only Venus, Serena and arguably Mauresmo can claim to have a better GS record in the past year - including Clijsters and Henin, the worlds #3 and #4, whose GS records in the past year are littered with pre-quarterfinal and early round defeats. She won a Tier 1 beating the world #3, and reached a swag of semi and quarterfinals while defeating players like Henin, Mauresmo and Dokic and pushing players like Davenport, Clijsters and Venus Williams. Some of you are asking has she ever beaten Capriati or Davenport - well maybe not - but their records over the past 52 weeks are far from spectacular - without a single title between them - and the rankings ONLY reflect the past 52 weeks not the players reputation or achievements prior to those 52 weeks. Whether she has beaten Williams or Clijsters is irrevelant also as the ranking already reflects that they are better than her - to be ranked #5 does not mean that you need to have beaten those ranked 1-4 (although she has beaten Henin). The fact is that with the incidence of the Williams domination - a dupoly - a top 5 player is likely to be less credentialed than a top 5 player might be in a more even era as the dominant players are achieving the more spectacular results and accumulating the most points.

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Hmmm from what I am reading I see some people seem to have resentment toward Daniela. I don't think that is cool at all.

For crying out loud she hasn't even been a top-ten player for even a 1 year. GIve her break would you.

Daniela has got nothing but time to prove herself.
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Hantuchova is still overrated. You have to WIN in sports to be seriously considered a major contender. Until she beats SOMEBODY with consistency (and by that I mean a major player in the top ten) she can't possibly be considered a major player herself. Gimme a break!! Like everybody else she has to EARN all the ridiculous accolades she's receiving. So far she's won ONE MORE TITLE THAN KOURNIKOVA. That's hardly a measure of grewatness. When and if DH gets to the point of truly WINNING something more than verbal support from retired tennis players I will be the first in line to congratulate her. Until then, she is just another "pretender to the throne." Repeat: DH HAS TO EARN IT! Being cute and having skills is NOT ENOUGH
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The sentence should read: "That's hardly a measure of greatness..." Excuse my typo...
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