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Double standard in comebacks.

Yes, another WTA vs ATP thread.

The journalists are all praising Nadal and his victorious return is just a highlight of the ATP's greatness.
Yet the WTA was drag through the mud when Serena had similar results during the 2011 summer.

You can't say women tennis is a bad joke if a dude does just the same in men tennis, no?

It's the same situation but viewed so differently.
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Re: Double standard in comebacks.

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Yes, another WTA vs ATP thread.

The journalists are all praising Nadal and his victorious return is just a highlight of the ATP's greatness.
Yet the WTA was drag through the mud when Serena had similar results during the 2011 summer.

You can't say women tennis is a bad joke if a dude does just the same in men tennis, no?

It's the same situation but viewed so differently.
No offense but Nadal had gone F-W-W-W in his comeback, Serena went 2nd and 4th in her first two events back and only won 2 events in the 2011 comeback campaign...

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No offense but Nadal had gone F-W-W-W in his comeback, Serena went 2nd and 4th in her first two events back and only won 2 events in the 2011 comeback campaign...
Which further proves my point?
Serena won Toronto, Stanford and made the final in New York.
She lost to Zvonareva and Bartoli (+Stosur).

Nadal is beating everybody. No one say anything.

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Yes, another WTA vs ATP thread.

The journalists are all praising Nadal and his victorious return is just a highlight of the ATP's greatness.
Yet the WTA was drag through the mud when Serena had similar results during the 2011 summer.

You can't say women tennis is a bad joke if a dude does just the same in men tennis, no?

It's the same situation but viewed so differently.
Good Point.
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No offense but Nadal had gone F-W-W-W in his comeback, Serena went 2nd and 4th in her first two events back and only won 2 events in the 2011 comeback campaign...
Didn't Serena have a massive blood clot?

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Re: Double standard in comebacks.

Very interesting point. I feel like anyone who has an aversion to women's tennis will use any excuse they can find to bash it.
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Re: Double standard in comebacks.

If you think about it you could surmise the ATP is weak. For Nadal to be gone 7 months and pick back up where he left off and showing no rust suggests they are weak, no depth. Whereas Serena being gone the same, being rusty, and, not having the same results suggests the WTA is stronger, more depth.
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Re: Double standard in comebacks.

I think the difference is Nadal still has competition, albeit not outside of the top 4, whereas Serena when she came back just had 0 competition so long as she was in good enough form. She still doesn't.

Even without Nadal you still have Djokovic, Murray, and Federer (although Federer is starting to decline..); without Serena in 2011 you had no one. You had no one stepping up to the plate and being an actual worldbeating elite player.
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this is actually a point i was going to make myself. The wta haters will find some way to justify this but in the end they are just a bunch of hypocrates. You really cant poke a whole in this argument. Its just not fair
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Re: Double standard in comebacks.

I think a lot of this has to do with Nadal himself. I honestly believe that he could have come back much sooner than he did and his statements about how Novak or Roger or Ferrer are much better than him only contribute to this effect. He has made these kinds of comments for years and it's a shame that the media has eaten it up as the truth. Serena on the other hand, made no comments about how she almost died even though we all know that to be true. I'm interested to see if this is an isolated situation or if it's a regular occurrence when comparing the ATP and the WTA.

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Re: Double standard in comebacks.

I get where the OP is coming from, but I feel like it's less of a double standard and more of an acknowledgement of how tough the top tier of men's tennis is. I think the WTA is heading in that direction (in the last 12 months or so) but there would need to be years of the same dominance from RenaVikaPova for any sort of comparison between the two tours to be valid. So I think when Serena came back in 2011 the WTA was in a "weaker" era, and expectations were also higher for her than they were for Nadal because she is clearly the best player in the world and had made miracle comebacks before. No one really knew what to expect from Nadal this time around, and the fact that he's having these types of results, especially on hard courts, is pretty surprising.


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Re: Double standard in comebacks.

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I think the difference is Nadal still has competition, albeit not outside of the top 4, whereas Serena when she came back just had 0 competition so long as she was in good enough form. She still doesn't.

Even without Nadal you still have Djokovic, Murray, and Federer (although Federer is starting to decline..); without Serena in 2011 you had no one. You had no one stepping up to the plate and being an actual worldbeating elite player.
That is one aspect that proves the OP's point. Nadal having competition yet comes back and tears through his competition makes the ATP suspect when compared to the WTA.
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Re: Double standard in comebacks.

Nadal was off the tour for 4 months less and is 26 not 30. Trust me Nadal wont be making a big comeback in his 30's.

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Yes, another WTA vs ATP thread.

The journalists are all praising Nadal and his victorious return is just a highlight of the ATP's greatness.
Yet the WTA was drag through the mud when Serena had similar results during the 2011 summer.

You can't say women tennis is a bad joke if a dude does just the same in men tennis, no?

It's the same situation but viewed so differently.
That's because 99.9999% of the journalists are White and male. We do not operate in a vacuum.
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Re: Double standard in comebacks.

There are many examples of double standards between ATP and WTA though. This is just one of many. When the top players breeze through to the later rounds of grand slams barely dropping games this shows a lack of depth in the WTA. Same happens on ATP and we're told it's just the top players brilliance. This works at the top end too. When Djokovic and Nadal destroy Ferrer in recent months again we're told about it showcasing their brilliance. When Azarenka swatted away Radwanska in Doha it got criticised for its boring predictability.
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