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whose game did people fear mose while going on court..Graf,seles,evert,hingis?

yeah which of these 4 players with their game intimitated other players the most..Even before going on court?..Graf,seles,evert,hingis?
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Seles b/c they knew if she was on, then she'd be running them all over the place w/o errors!

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At their best definitely Seles because Graf had a slice backhand they could always go to, Hingis and Evert do not have incredible power, however with Seles at her peak you didn't know where to hit she attacked from everywhere with amazing accuracy and few errors, also her movement in the early 90's was great.
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For Sure Graf. Great power and great movement. And Graf´s slice backhand at her best is a great weapon. An underated shot for sure. She could also volley as well. Graf was more complete in my opinion.

Seles my second choice, because at her best (1991-1993) Seles did not have a great serve and her net play was awful.
If we call the after 1993 Seles, i think she is a more complete player now, she has shown that she can play at net as well, but her movement is really below the top ones level.

Evert and Hingis were (are) too pasive. They let her oponnents play. It was more that they outsmarted their oponnents than the times they outplayed them.

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Straight Seasons in the top ten: Sabatini 10 Conchita 6
Seasons in the top 5: Sabatini 6 Conchita 5
Straight seasons in the top 5: Sabatini 6 Conchita 4
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FWTT Hard 111(111 + ny)Carpet 104(104 + ny)Clay 107(107 + 4) Grass 100(100 ny)
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Maybe the Williams sisters are the most feared ever, i can recall Graf and Seles quotes about playing the sisters. "She does not give you much oportunities, she did everything better today" Seles, after losing 6-2 6-3 vs Venus last year San Diego.

And Graf said in 99 Wimbledon that she would have liked Anna Kournikova to beat Venus in round 4, "Because at least Anna let you play, Venus serves so well and returns the same way that sometimes you feel out of the match".

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Sabatini vs Martinez ?
Seasons in the top ten: Sabatini 10 Conchita 9
Straight Seasons in the top ten: Sabatini 10 Conchita 6
Seasons in the top 5: Sabatini 6 Conchita 5
Straight seasons in the top 5: Sabatini 6 Conchita 4
Tier II and above titles
Sabatini 24 Martinez 17
Record at the Masters
Sabatini has 2 titles 2 Runner up and 3 SF
Martinez has 0 titles, 0 RU, and 0 Sf
Record against the best players
Sabatini 40% Martinez 21%
Head to Head
Sabatini leads 9-6 over Martinez
FWTT Hard 111(111 + ny)Carpet 104(104 + ny)Clay 107(107 + 4) Grass 100(100 ny)
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Definently Seles.
there is no where to hide. She would drill you into submission - NO breathing space. With Graf you could at least go to her backhand and get a rally. Seles would pound you ....i would not enjoy playing her at all.
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Surely it depends on the year and the surface. All the women mentioned had many opponents psyched out before they even went onto the court. Hingis doesn't belong in the same class as the other 3 IMO. She was feared, yes, but not to the same degree. Her dominance wasn't as long or by surface).

Seles was much feared from 91 to 93-but not on grass.

Steffi had "it" from 1988 to 90 and in 95-96, but she was more feared on grass than clay IMO after women like Snachez-Vicario dented her armor on the dirt.

In Evert's heyday (1974-80) even top ten women admitted they had no chance on clay. 125 consecutive matches on a surface will do that to a person! Chrissie was always beatable on grass.

Of the 4 therefor I'd say

Clay-Evert
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I think you have two omissions on your list and that those two top the list: Serena and Venus Williams!

The players you listed are all-time greats no question.
But the most feared players IMO are: The Sisters.
Players say this about them: You win a point when they make a error and you lose when they make a winner. You will never blow them off the field.So the other player is almost irrelevant! When they are on you lose and when they are off you have a CHANCE to win. Now that is what I call FEAR!!
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Sticking to the question, I'll say that Monica Seles' game put the most fear into the other players. Everyone's already stated the reasons.

In Steffi's case, I think it was more the reputation she had. Lots of players feared her reputation than they did her game. But then again, it all comes down to one thing.


I'd say it's a tie between Seles and Graf and if I have to pick one, I'd give Seles the edge.

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Seles, although Graf is very close too. The only reason I choose Seles over Graf is, again, because of Graf's backhand. With Seles players really felt that they couldn't place the ball anywhere on the court.
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Rollo said it best - they were all feared at certain times and certain surfaces.

And those people who say that, playing Steffi, 'you could at least go to her backhand and get a rally': did it work ? No. Against lower-ranked players, it would only take a few shots and Steffi would hit an unreachable inside-out forehand. I would say that Steffi's forehand was probably the most feared SHOT ever. And her backhand put a lot of pressure on the opponent as well. And because of her great footwork, it wasn't very easy to 'find' that backhand because Steffi would always run around it.

I remember that Steffi once played Barbara Rittner, and Rittner played most of her shots to Steffi's forehand surprisingly. After she had lost (of course !), she was asked why she did that. She said 'I just wanted to lose in a different way than usually' LOL.
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For sure i remember that quote 94 Australian Open

Graf´s backhand so underated, i remembered Hingis saying in 94 that "how come players could not beat her since she only had that "SLICE" " They faced like a moth later in Paris 95 and Graf won 6-3 6-2.
Graf slice was so low, plus it had some pace on it, the best slice backhand ever for sure. She set up lot of points with that shot. Hitting low, made her oponnents put the ball up and that´s when her forehand was there to put away winners. Not to mention her prefectly disguised dropshot same racket preparation as her usual slice OMG i miss you! Steffi

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Seasons in the top ten: Sabatini 10 Conchita 9
Straight Seasons in the top ten: Sabatini 10 Conchita 6
Seasons in the top 5: Sabatini 6 Conchita 5
Straight seasons in the top 5: Sabatini 6 Conchita 4
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Sabatini 24 Martinez 17
Record at the Masters
Sabatini has 2 titles 2 Runner up and 3 SF
Martinez has 0 titles, 0 RU, and 0 Sf
Record against the best players
Sabatini 40% Martinez 21%
Head to Head
Sabatini leads 9-6 over Martinez
FWTT Hard 111(111 + ny)Carpet 104(104 + ny)Clay 107(107 + 4) Grass 100(100 ny)

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You know petosp, you sound a lot like Justine Henin, for sure.

I think they were all four feared in a similar way by their opponents, but I think Graf was feared the most as she was good on all surfaces, Evert and Seles were beatable on grass, whereas Steffi was pretty even on all surfaces.
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You know petosp, you sound a lot like Justine Henin, for sure.

I think they were all four feared in a similar way by their opponents, but I think Graf was feared the most as she was good on all surfaces, Evert and Seles were beatable on grass, whereas Steffi was pretty even on all surfaces.
Seles was beatable on grass? She played only 3 tournaments on grass before the stabbing. THREE. One where she was 15 and despite that she got a 3-1 record. One where she was 16 and she got a 4-1 record losing in 3 sets to the same player who also beat Graf the following match. And one where she was 18 and she got a 6-1 record beating grass court specialists Tauziat and Navratilova, losing to Graf while having all sort of outside concentration to deal with. I would hardly called this "beatable". Graf was crushed at the French by Sanchez etc. 6-2, 6-0 does it mean that she was very beatable on clay? No, you have to look at the overall picture, and before the stabbing Monica was VERY solid on grass, one of the best actually. The thing she was never allowed to continue, it's amazing what she did in 3 tournaments on grass before the stabbing. In fact, in her first 3 Wimbledons Monica did better then Graf and Navratilova did in their first 3 Wimbledons at similar ages.
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