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If Serena Williams Wins the Austrailian Open....

Will she be the best player playing the game today? No other player playing today would have ever held all four grand slam titles at the same time and no player playing today would have a career grand slam. So the question is does that make serena the better player over Venus, Lindsay, Jennifer, Martina, and Monica..... you decide.

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She would defintiely have surpassed Venus and Lindsay. She is has already surpassed Jenn IMO.

It would then be a close call between Martina and Serena. this is the really juicy question. Considering Martina still has about double the career titles of Serena and is far more established in other statistical catergories, if Serena were to reach an equal grand slam footing with her - of course the career grandslam has a great significance - it would be interesting. I'd still take Martina.

No way would she be greater than Monica. Never are 5 grandslam titles worth more than 9. I mean in situations like that quantity nearly always prevails over quality. Andre has the career Grand Slam but it would be tough to find anyone who rates him greater than Sampras, even with the latters ineptitude at Roland Garros. She could then be called more versatile than Monica, but not greater.
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It would definitely make her special and put her in the elite few of players to win all four of the Grand Slams in succession.

I hope she goes to Australia focused and ready to do business.
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Well, it would make her the best active player at the moment (which I guess she already is). As for all of the players still playing, I think that Serena will surpass Lindsay, Jennifer, Venus and Martina. But I think that in the history books, she's still got a bit of work to do to surpass Monica. Serena is well on her way. If she wins the AO then she would have achieved a career grand slam in both Singles AND Doubles. That's pretty amazing. As well as an Olympic Gold in Doubles. What she would need to prove is more consistency winning the big ones year after year. Perhaps a few grand slams 2-3 years in a row. She definitely can do that if she keeps her eye on the money. Maybe also winning the Golden Slam + the Year End Champs. THAT would show total domination, huh?!

Anyhow, I have a feeling Serena is going to step it up in 2003. Put on your seatbelts everyone! It's going to be all about Serena all the time!

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I dont think you can include doubles accomplishments. You never hear them say anything about Pete's doubles career or lack thereof so doubles imo doesnt factor into it.

I think right now she is above lindsay and jen and below Venus, because Venus has equal the slams but more titles. With Martina I still think martina has the edge, but if serena wins aussie she will not only have equal slams but also the career grand slam but less titles. IMO holding four grand slams at the same time as well as having the career grand slam tops martina even though martina has more titles. It also tops venus.

Monica would still be in the leading position but considering that serena is only 21 and monica is almost what, 28? Well I think serena has a greater chance to equal or top monica before serena calls it quits.

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if she wins AO, she should be able to surpass Venus
with 5 Grand Slams, also Jen and Lindsay,
but surpassing Martina? dont think so,
she is hyped right now, but this is her 1st yr at #1
and she's "already" 21, u cant make excuse
for her not making #1 before 20,
Martina has been #1 much longer than Serena,
unless Serena ends up #1 for the next 2 yrs,
i wouldnt consider her surpassning Hingis
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Oh, she would definitely surpass Hingis. Serena would have won all 4 GS, Martina only 3. Plus the H2H is in Serena's favor with two pretty convincing wins at the US Open 2001 and Nasdaq 100-Open 2002.

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What is age gotta do with it?! If Serena wins the AO she will be the best active player among Lindsay, Venus, Jennifer and Martina. She has the CAREER slam and no one else has that. Monica is on a special pedigree.....her career has been short cut. But I think if Serena keeps her focus she will end the greatest of her generation with 10, 11 GS´s.
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So youre saying number one is more important than titles? More important than grandslam titles? More important than a career grandslam?

Imo a career and an additional US Open beats Five grandslams. Why?

1) martina has never won a career grandslam
2) martina has never won the french open.

I guess you've forgotten how number one was considered to be meaningless a few years ago? I know I would rather win a grand slam than be number one without one. EVERYBODY WOULD. The only thing that would put Martina at an adavantage would be the fact that martina would have more overall titles. That would give her an edge. Number one is such an intangible thing. What matters is concrete results, like trophies.

Of course all this is conjecture until serena actually wins the aussie open. Hopefully she will do it this january. GO SERENA!

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on a one to one basis we all know that serena is better than martina. the head to head proves it. However on a career level, right now serena is one step behind martina. Once she racks up the aussie she will be shoulders and above martina. Same number of grandslams but with a career grandslam AND HODLING ALL FOUR TITLES AT THE SAME TIME! No one since graf could boast that. Advantage Serena.

this also brings up my previous post of how much is one grandslam title worth? Ten regular titles? 20 regular titles? Im sure that martina would give up 20 of her single titles for a french open grandslam, dont you?

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I just thought of something else, if a career grand slam like andres is considered less than petes 14 grandslams then why is grafs 22 grandslams considered worth in your opinon?

also why is margaret courts 24 grandslams considered less than grafs 22? I mean if pete's 14 is better than andres 9 then wouldn't courts 24 be better than grafs 22?

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Martina had been #1 for so freaking long and all she managed was 5 grand slams... I think Serena will win at least 2 next year and will surpass everyone on tour, except for Seles, unless Seles retires..

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Why did you start a thread to answer your own question?



Of course Court's 24 is better then Graf's 22. I think because Graf was much more recent than Steffi that she will be remembered less, and people seem to think her 11 Australian Open titles were won with a weak field.
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Graf is better than Court.

Venus is better than SErena!!!

Serena had ONE great year. This does not a champion make.
If she has another good year, then she can talk.
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I answer my own question because I have an opinon and I want OTHER PEOPLE's opinon.

Also I agree that courts 24 is better than grafs 22 yet tell me why most people you ask consider graf the better player? Tell me why most people consider Sampras greater than everett, graf, narvitaloa(i butched her name I know), or court?

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