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Were kournikova and Dementieva's GS Semi's a fluke?

Just thinking abt this, especially in relation to Kim, Jelena and Justine. These gals made the Top 10 and have stayed there, Anna and Elena broke into the Top 10 and left just as easy....

Who did Elena and Anna beat to make the SFs?

And were they really flukes. No offence to either gal, but their progress seems stunted, but I'm looking to an action packed 2003 for them.

Wat do y'all think?
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I don't think I will touch this one with a 1--foot-pole ...
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LOL Janie, I don't think that this topic should be interpreted as offensive.

Both girls have undeniable talent, but maybe they produced too much too soon in their careers, as they have been having a dip in terms of stellar results. I'm not doubting talent, I'm thinking that maybe they reached these GS Semi's earlier than they should have?

Why don't you touch it with a 2--foot--pole instead?

Oooops, I forgot to add, I'm a massive Elena fan, so there really is no hidden meaning in this post.

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It is no fluke perce perce.....but its obvious that theyre stagnating! Whats wrong with these blonde russians anyhow?! Seem they cant win a title!!! Right now if youre Russian you have to go with Myskina and Bovina!
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OK, since there is no hidden agenda:

2000 US OPEN... ELENA D.

128 W Tara SNYDER (USA) 7-5 6-1
64 W Sylvia PLISCHKE (AUT) 6-4 7-6
32 W Conchita MARTINEZ (ESP) 6-4 6-1
16 W Lilia OSTERLOH (USA) 6-3 6-7 7-6
QF W Anke HUBER (GER) 6-1 3-6 6-3
SF L Lindsay DAVENPORT (USA) 2-6 6-7
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Anna 1997 Semi's at Wimbledon:

128 W Chanda RUBIN (USA)6-1 6-1
64 W Barbara RITTNER (GER) 4-6 7-6 6-3
32 W Anke HUBER (GER) 3-6 6-4 6-4
16 W Helena SUKOVA (CZE) 2-6 6-2 6-3
QF W Iva MAJOLI (CRO) 7-6 6-4
SF L Martina HINGIS (SUI) 3-6 2-6
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Okay! But prepare yourself for the coming Outrage of the Masses! ...

Kournikova reached her Wimbledon semifinal at age 16. She will be 22 when the next Wimbledon rolls around. She has reached only a single Slam quarterfinal since then.
In the intervening years, the level of the womens' game has advanced by leaps and bounds, while Anna's game stagnated. Now she is working hard, but she has all those years of Alla-training to overcome.
So for her, that achievement did turn out to be a fluke. So far.

Dementieva reached her US Open semifinal when she was not well-known at all on the Tour. Now everyone knows her game, which has not improved since that time. She has plenty of potential if she ever decides to take on a full-time, travelling coach and seriously devote herself to improving her game. If not, then her achievement, too, will turn out to be a one-off.
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I agree w/ Janie on this one,
I'm not sure but didn't both had injuries soon after these results?
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lets not forget that anna was 15 or whatever when she reached the semi's, so no matter what it was a great achievement.
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Exactly Janie.....if you see it that way you can call it a fluke, because it was more that they got a LUCKY draw( I mean Lila Osterloh?????!!!!) than anything else. People caught up with their games and it was end of story!!
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anna did beat, rubin huber and majoli, as well as an experienced sukova (juniors often struggle with experienced players- especially on grass).
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Elena is way too inconsistent, she ahs the weapons, but not the mental toughness or court brain, she hasn't changed her game, she should come to net more and its good she now plays doubles.

Anna who knows, again she has the weapons, her shot choice and meantl toughness are issues and also she has had injuries.

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both players beat grandslam champions on their ways, Elena Conchita, and Anna Iva, who ofcourse had just came from her brilliant win at Roland Garros.

I wouldn't say it was a fluke to get their GS Semi spots.
However i'd say neither has lived up to the potencial they both seemed to display at these times.

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See, but both girls beat three formidable players

Anna: Chanda, Anke and Iva
Elena : Plishcke, Martinez and Anke

And Elena pulling out that win against osterloh showed she was mentally strong.

But as you guys have stated, the girls were young, which I feel could be a reason why their games didn't develop. Maybe they thought 'I've reached a GS Semi with this game style, i can go further but practicing more' rather than making improvements.

I also agree with janie, if their games don't move forward, they will be one hit wonders, which would be a great shame.

Thanks for info Meesh

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post #15 of 49 (permalink) Old Dec 23rd, 2002, 11:29 PM
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Elena D. certainly had a lucky draw. She should have played Dominique van Roost in the 4th round, who had to retire against Osterloh. Elena defeated Osterloh with a very close (and lucky) win.
Then QF win against choking Anke. After an awful start, Anke pretty much dominated and led 3-1 in the 3rd, just to play crappy again.
So Elena was lucky to reach SF, however she proved there (and later at the Chase) that she deserved it with a good fight against Lindsay. So it was not a fluke IMO because Elena is certainly still able to reach semifinals if she finally changes some things in her tennis and her life.
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