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post #1 of 22 (permalink) Old Dec 22nd, 2002, 03:20 PM Thread Starter
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Kim Clijsters: Style = Injury Prone?

I thought the Tour Champs final gave us an excellent sample of the senior Clijster's. Complete with charging, diving and splits while sliding sideways. It's no wonder Hewitt is taken with her, they play tennis the same way. They both throw their whole body at the point, rolling, sliding, sprinting, seemingly careless of injury.
I wonder though, is her style one that courts injury?
When Kim's right, she virtually always goes deep into tournaments.
When she's not, 1st, 2nd and 3rd round losses dot the landscape.
Mary Jo Fernandez is the player that always comes to mind when discussing injury.
She made three GS finals. Never won one.
If she could have stayed healthy more than five minutes at a time...

Kim's a big, heavy girl. I don't mena 'big' as a euphymism for fat.
She BIG. Like Lindsay now.
She's got legs and shoulders and can take a bit of a pounding.
If anyone's body can take the punishment, Kim's can.
But the splits while sliding sideways....
The human body isn't really designed to do that.
I wonder how long she can play that way.


Kim's entire career is summarized below.

From it's beginning to Rome 2001, 'inconsistent' is the best word to describe Kim's game.
Everything form tournament wins to 1st round losses.
From RG 2001 to OZ 2002, Kim played 15 tournaments, and made the semis or better ten times.
Post-OZ 2002 to US 2002, injured and inconsistent.
Post US 2002, she's the best player on the tour. (Okay, Serena didn't play much after US 2002)

Code:
10 May 1999 Belgian Open       T?  QF L PITKOWSKI-MALCOR 6-3 5-7 1-6   
21 Jun 1999 Wimbledon          GS  16 L GRAF 2-6 2-6   
02 Aug 1999 Knokke-Heist       T5  32 L HABSUDOVA 4-6 0-6   
30 Aug 1999 US Open            GS  32 L WILLIAMS 6-4 2-6 5-7   
20 Sep 1999 Luxembourg         T3  CH W VAN ROOST 6-2 6-2   
18 Oct 1999 Bratislava         T4  FR L MAURESMO 3-6 3-6   
01 Nov 1999 Leipzig            T2  32 L HRDLICKOVA 5-7 7-5 3-6   
08 Nov 1999 Philadelphia       T2  32 L CAPRIATI 5-7 3-6   
09 Jan 2000 Hobart             T5  CH W RUBIN 2-6 6-2 6-2   
17 Jan 2000 Australian Open    GS 128 L VAN ROOST 6-3 1-6 1-6   
14 Feb 2000 Hanover            T2  16 L SIDOT 7-6(3) 4-6 4-6   
10 Mar 2000 Indian Wells       T1  16 L WILLIAMS 4-6 4-6   
20 Mar 2000 Miami              T1  16 L HINGIS 0-6 4-6   
13 May 2000 Antwerp            T5  16 L BACHEVA 2-6 2-6   
29 May 2000 Roland Garros      GS 128 L SUGIYAMA 2-6 6-3 2-6   
19 Jun 2000 's-Hertogenbosch   T3  16 L SCHNYDER 4-6 6-4 5-7   
26 Jun 2000 Wimbledon          GS  64 L MYSKINA 4-6 2-6   
24 Jul 2000 Stanford           T2  32 L SHAUGHNESSY 6-3 6-7(4) 3-6   
31 Jul 2000 San Diego          T2  32 L MARTINEZ 3-6 4-6   
21 Aug 2000 New Haven          T2  QF L TAUZIAT 2-6 4-6   
28 Aug 2000 U.S. Open          GS  64 L DAVENPORT 6-4 2-6 2-6   
23 Sep 2000 Luxembourg         T3  QF L KOURNIKOVA 7-6(1) 3-6 1-6   
02 Oct 2000 Stuttgart          T2  FR L HINGIS 0-6 3-6   
30 Oct 2000 Leipzig            T2  CH W LIKHOVTSEVA 7-6(6) 4-6 6-4   
13 Nov 2000 Tour Champs        TC  QF L DEMENTIEVA 4-6 6-2 4-6   
07 Jan 2001 Sydney             T2  16 L HINGIS 4-6 4-6   
15 Jan 2001 Australian Open    GS  16 L DAVENPORT 4-6 0-6   
26 Feb 2001 Scottsdale         T2  QF L SHAUGHNESSY 2-6 4-6   
08 Mar 2001 Indian Wells       T1  FR L WILLIAMS 6-4 4-6 2-6   
21 Mar 2001 Miami              T1  16 L WILLIAMS 0-6 2-6   
30 Apr 2001 Bol                T3  SF L DIAZ-OLIVA 6-0 2-6 3-6   
07 May 2001 Berlin             T1  64 L KREMER 2-6 1-6   
14 May 2001 Rome               T1  32 L GAGLIARDI 6-3 2-6 3-6   

28 May 2001 Roland Garros      GS  FR L CAPRIATI 6-1 4-6 10-12   
18 Jun 2001 's-Hertogenbosch   T3  FR L HENIN-HARDENNE 4-6 6-3 3-6   
25 Jun 2001 Wimbledon          GS  QF L DAVENPORT 1-6 2-6   
16 Jul 2001 Knokke-Heist       T5  SF L TULYAGANOVA 0-6 4-6   
23 Jul 2001 Stanford           T2  CH W DAVENPORT 6-4 6-7(5) 6-1   
30 Jul 2001 San Diego          T2  32 L SUGIYAMA 3-6 3-6   
06 Aug 2001 Los Angeles        T2  QF L TAUZIAT 4-6 2-6   
19 Aug 2001 New Haven          T2  SF L DAVENPORT Walkover  
27 Aug 2001 U.S. Open          GS  QF L WILLIAMS 3-6 1-6   
17 Sep 2001 Tokyo              T2  SF L DOKIC 5-7 4-6   
24 Sep 2001 Leipzig            T2  CH W MALEEVA 6-1 6-1   
08 Oct 2001 Stuttgart          T2  16 L HUBER 3-6 6-4 3-6   
30 Oct 2001 Tour Champs        TC  SF L DAVENPORT 6-1 3-6 6-7(3)   
06 Jan 2002 Sydney             T1  SF L HINGIS 5-7 6-4 2-6   
14 Jan 2002 Australian Open    GS  SF L CAPRIATI 5-7 6-3 1-6   

06 Mar 2002 Indian Wells       T1  64 L DECHY 2-6 5-7   
20 Mar 2002 Miami              T1  QF L SELES 6-4 3-6 3-6   
30 Apr 2002 Hamburg            T2  CH W WILLIAMS 1-6 6-3 6-4   
06 May 2002 Berlin             T1  32 L SMASHNOVA 7-5 4-6 5-7   
13 May 2002 Rome               T1  SF L HENIN 5-7 2-6   
27 May 2002 Roland Garros      GS  32 L FERNANDEZ 4-6 0-6   
17 Jun 2002 's-Hertogenbosch   T3  QF L PISNIK 6-7(5) 2-6   
24 Jun 2002 Wimbledon          GS  64 L LIKHOVTSEVA 6-7(5) 2-6   
22 Jul 2002 Stanford           T2  FR L WILLIAMS 3-6 3-6   
29 Jul 2002 San Diego          T2  QF L WILLIAMS 3-6 7-5 4-6   
05 Aug 2002 Los Angeles        T2  32 L SREBOTNIK 4-6 6-2 4-6   
12 Aug 2002 Canadian Open      T1  16 L SCHETT 4-6 4-6   
26 Aug 2002 U.S. Open          GS  16 L MAURESMO 6-4 3-6 5-7   

16 Sep 2002 Tokyo              T2  FR L WILLIAMS 6-2 3-6 3-6   
23 Sep 2002 Leipzig            T2  SF L MYSKINA 4-6 7-5 6-7(3 
07 Oct 2002 Stuttgart          T2  CH W HANTUCHOVA 4-6 6-3 6-4   
14 Oct 2002 Zurich             T1  QF L DAVENPORT 3-6 6-7(5)   
21 Oct 2002 Luxembourg         T3  CH W MALEEVA 6-1 6-2   
06 Nov 2002 Tour Champs        TC  CH W WILLIAMS 7-5 6-3

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It's gonna be a matter of time before she gets injured sliding on those hardcourts.

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nah, her mother's a gymnast, so thats why Kim is one of the few people in the world that can pull these slidings off ... for her they come natural, for us they would be impossible ...

now the rest of her game, always putting the entire body into her shots, does make her injury-prone, but she has a strong body, that seems to hold out quite well (apart from the nagging shoulder-injury that is)
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All the commentators on tv are saying that everytime she does those splits they think shes gonna get injured lol. I think it makes her game exciting, but it would make her more injury prone, i agree.
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I think she may be the one opponent Serena faces who can do things that Serena physically can't do. Serena can certainly do the splits, but she rolls her ankles more than Kim does. That sideways slide is riskier for Serena. The TC match certainly was entertaining, even though I was rooting for Serena.

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I agree with Volcana to an extent. Serena doesn´t slide, because she reaches all the balls without having to slide. Kim´s style is entertaining though, but she has to watch out with that. Because on hardcourts when the courts are hot you can get burned very bad!! I´m looking forward to next year to see if Kim can keep it up.
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I´m looking forward to next year to see if Kim can keep it up.
lets hope so! I also really want to know or she can hold her form from the last months!


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I think what she does is way too risky.

Sliding on hardcourts is very dangerous and she can get a serious injury, if I was her coach I would definitely tell her to stop that.

The fact that her mother is a gymnast doesn't mean anything, this is not gymnastics, it's tennis, sliding might be part of the routine in gymnastics, not in tennis, and the surfaces are different.

Especially on rebound ace, we saw what happened to Anabel Medina Garrigues and Lina K., those injuries were almost career threatening (and they might have ruined their careers, let's hope not), and they didn't do what Kim does.

I think she must stop it because sooner or later she will get injured doing that, and seriously.
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It can injured but look at Kim's legs!! There're strong!!

I don't think she can be injured like Lina or Anabel were!!

I'm also doing sliding, well, it's on indoor carpet, I don't know if it's like hard because I never played on hard! But I have the same "type" of legs as Kim and it doesn't hurt me at all!! I like doing it!! Well, believe me if you want!!

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I am more worried about her ankles and feet than her legs. I think though that all of the top players are really forced to do things with their bodies that lead to injuries. Injuries are a huge, huge problem that are actually being accepted to readily. I think that the amount of hard court tournaments should be very minimal and most of the year should be grass, clay and carpet. Rebound ace and hard courts should really be very limited IMHO.
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her sliding on hard courts will cost her one day.

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I also think that her sliding on hard courts is a very dangerous thing to do. If she is so fast and all there must be a way that she can reach those balls with having to slide.
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It can injured but look at Kim's legs!! There're strong!!

I don't think she can be injured like Lina or Anabel were!!

I'm also doing sliding, well, it's on indoor carpet, I don't know if it's like hard because I never played on hard! But I have the same "type" of legs as Kim and it doesn't hurt me at all!! I like doing it!! Well, believe me if you want!!
You can play with traffic and never get rolled over, that doesn't mean it's not dangerous.

You can have the strongest legs in the world, if you are slidding with your whole body and one of your feet get stucks, you will get injured, no matter how strong you are and how many times you have done it before.
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You can play with traffic and never get rolled over, that doesn't mean it's not dangerous.

You can have the strongest legs in the world, if you are slidding with your whole body and one of your feet get stucks, you will get injured, no matter how strong you are and how many times you have done it before.
I was just about to post the same thing.

An injury is bound to happen if she keeps sliding like that.

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You guys, Kim has been doing this forever! It's embed into her game. And she has never had a groin injury or ankle injury. She has only had shoulder problems. Kim knows her body. If she does it, than she must feel comfortable doing it. She must be confident enough that she trusts her body not to get injured. Besides, it's Kim's signature that nobody else can do. That's beautiful. The day she stops will be the day she retires.

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