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How would Azarenka have matched up against Venus?

I genuinely think this match-up would be a LOT more fruitful for Azarenka than one against Henin.

As we all know, Peak Venus's game was ALL about raw power, and she didn't typically mix up the placement of her shots that much -- imo, this would play into Azarenka's hands, because, as we discussed in that thread a few weeks ago, Azarenka really is GREAT at scooping back even the most POWERFUL shots that land within her reach -- we all know Venus wouldn't be able to employ the gameplan Serena does when she plays Azarenka of using more crosscourt angles and really yanking Azarenka side-to-side and exposing her still-surprisingly-mediocre movement.

Obviously Venus on her very BEST days would win, if she was really feeling the ball and landing all her shots, but imo, even in Venus's best seasons of 2000-01, Azarenka would have won her fair share of matches against her, because Venus even at 70% probably would've lost to her. If she was just a little bit off, then I could just see the matches playing out like the Azarenka-vs.-subpar Sharapova matches -- Venus blasting the ball down the middle of the court, Azarenka getting back all of Venus's shots to a decent length, Venus getting frustrated that even her most powerful of shots aren't getting the job done, until she surrenders a UE.

For me, what's instructive is their 2010 Dubai match -- this is ALWAYS cited as one of Venus's best matches of recent years, and yet, even as exceptionally well as Venus played, a well-below-peak Azarenka made it a real contest:



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Re: How would Azarenka have matched up against Venus?

It would be in Azarenka's favour on slow HCs for sure even tho Venus would win something there too.However i tend to believe that Venus would be able to find a way to beat Vika on a consistent basis despite that you decribed Venus' game of not mixing the power well enough like Serena.Azarenka might be a great pace absorber but Venus' would still be i think a bit too much to handle.That doesn't mean they would not have competitve matches on all types of HCs and clay.(Grass is obvious).

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Venus on grass, decoturf and even clay would have beaten her pretty easy. Azarenka on plexipave /plexicushion/ laykold , on all this slow shit will be competitive

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Venus, everywhere, easily,
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Re: How would Azarenka have matched up against Venus?

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Even though it was anything but easy in their last match, when Venus was by any measure much closer to her peak than Azarenka?
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Even though it was anything but easy in their last match, when Venus was by any measure much closer to her peak than Azarenka?
I stand by what I wrote. And '10 Venus was not peak Venus.
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Re: How would Azarenka have matched up against Venus?

It's about matchups and Venus would eat Azarenka for breakfast, lunch, and dinner - just like she has in their matches.
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cannot wait to see these 2 play in 2013 it could be a real site to see, both playing well. It could be one of the matches of the year. Bring it on!
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cannot wait to see these 2 play in 2013 it could be a real site to see, both playing well. It could be one of the matches of the year. Bring it on!

I don't think Venus will make it far enough to even meet Vika but that's just my personal opinion...

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Re: How would Azarenka have matched up against Venus?

First of all, ROTF @ the notion that 2010 Venus was closer to her peak than Azarenka was to hers.
Second, Venus had a full repertoire of shots to wipe the floor clean with Azarenka.

If we're talking about peaks, it's absolutely no contest on all surfaces except rebound ace, where it would be tight with Venus still winning.
The only shot of Venus that could have broken down even at her peak, was her FH, which was still ferocious. Unfortunately, Azarenka's FH is nothing to write home about either.
Venus only ever had trouble with players who had a good offensive and defensive game. Davenport and Hingis were other players who also troubled Venus, but their games were something special (Davenport with the cleanest strokes ever and Hingis with her wily ways).

But that's the nature of life, the old will decline while the young will rise, so we will never really know.

It's baffling to see how people quickly forget just how good Venus really was back in the day.

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Venus would be beat her by closing the net.

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I stand by what I wrote. And '10 Venus was not peak Venus.
Exactly. It's about 10 years away from her actual peak so uhh no I'd say Azarenka was closer.

Don't get me wrong though, Venus was in great form in 2010. Just mentally crippled.

And Venus would win over Azarenka in all surfaces including slow hard.
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but imo, even in Venus's best seasons of 2000-01, Azarenka would have won her fair share of matches against her


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Re: How would Azarenka have matched up against Venus?

The only surface the matches might be close are slow hard courts, like rebound ace or plexicushion. Even then Venus on her best day, like her 2000 Olympics or 2003 Australian Open form, would crush Azarenka, but she wasnt consistently in that form even in her prime on those courts. On clay, grass, decoturf, or carpet, she would spank Azarenka practically each time out.
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