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Is Venus Williams now better on hard courts than on grass?

2011-12 results would suggest so
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Re: Is Venus Williams now better on hard courts than on grass?

yes definitely better than sharapova.....
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Re: Is Venus Williams now better on hard courts than on grass?

Definitely better than Sharapova I'd say not.

Slightly, yes.

She still has the drive, though I can't see her becoming top 5 again.

Could she knock off Maria/Aga/Vika? Yes. However, I don't see her stringing together successive victories against top foes for a wondrous place in the rankings.
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Re: Is Venus Williams now better on hard courts than on grass?

Hard to say.
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Re: Is Venus Williams now better on hard courts than on grass?

I would say no.

2011 Wimbledon was only her second event since the Australian Open, she was clearly out of shape, still made the fourth round, and then lost to a player she's proven unable to beat even when in good form (2010) and even nearer her peak at the 06 Australian Open. More than possible she'd have replicated her QF performance from the year before had she faced Zvonareva instead.

2012 Wimbledon, the match with Vesnina and her first few doubles rounds were the most obvious examples of Sjogrens Venus we've ever seen. Even Venus' biggest haters watching that first round, commented in the thread afterwards how sad it was to see her so clearly hindered and debilitated on court, and agreed that it was more than just a typical Venus bad day at the office.

The Olympics saw her record 2 good wins in her opening rounds with (up til then) her best performances in the 2012 comeback, and then even in her loss to Kerber she played good tennis, and probably should have won that match but mentally lost it against a tricky player for her, who ended up having her career year to date. Had she won that match, she'd have faced Vika, who she matches up well against, and this question would probably not even have been considered, she could very well have been in a medal match

That being said, as Venus' athleticism and serve has dropped through age/injury/illness, she's no longer quite got the tools that made her and Serena head and shoulders above the others on the lawns, and she is now probably just as potent on a quick hard court where her game has always translated really well anyway.

Still, i'd wager that healthy she's still in the top 3 players on a grass court on her day (along with Kvitova and obviously little sis), i just hope that next year we get to see it, and that Sjogrens doesn't rob us of one last vintage grass court run by Venus as we are running out of time to see it.

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Re: Is Venus Williams now better on hard courts than on grass?

I still think her grass game is vastly better than her hard court game. Just,that she couldn't zone in during the three grass court tournaments she played this year. And actually I watched her match against Kerber at the olympics, she was playing well, just that she didn't kill off sets when she had multiple chances.

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Re: Is Venus Williams now better on hard courts than on grass?

She is a 30 something now. She can't be as fast as she was in her 20s. Shit happens.
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Re: Is Venus Williams now better on hard courts than on grass?

No. Her only impressive hard court matches since Dubai 2010 were vs Errani/Stosur in Cincinnati this year.

I don't think her grass game has regressed as much as her recent losses (Pironkova x2, Kerber, Vesnina, Hantuchova ) would indicate. Her play in the 2nd week of Wimbledon + at the Olympics was near vintage. Unfortunately, her mental frailty and TB flops were near vintage too.
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Re: Is Venus Williams now better on hard courts than on grass?

Not really, just at all four big grass events from 2010(2010, 2011, 2012 Wimby, 2012 Olympics) she drew defensive players early. Venus of 05-current sucks vs players with good defense, and Sjogrenus of 2010-current is quite simply incapable of defeating them. If she faces Radwanska, Wozniacki and Kerber 10 times next year she will get 1-3 wins maximum against them.

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Re: Is Venus Williams now better on hard courts than on grass?

Main reason behind this is that she did so much better against Kerber at the US Open than at the Olympics (even though Kerber herself is considerably better on hardcourts than on grass).
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Re: Is Venus Williams now better on hard courts than on grass?

No.

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Re: Is Venus Williams now better on hard courts than on grass?

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Main reason behind this is that she did so much better against Kerber at the US Open than at the Olympics (even though Kerber herself is considerably better on hardcourts than on grass).
I think thats more to do with Venus getting better and better post Wimbledon, and learning to play with an autoimmune disease than it is to do with her matching up better with Kerber on hard than grass.

And tbh she played with half a serve and made 40+ UE's in the New York match, she actually played better in the Olympics match just choked at the worst times, times Kerber on the other hand played some really clutch tennis!

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Re: Is Venus Williams now better on hard courts than on grass?

Does it matter? She's irrelevant on all surfaces.
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Re: Is Venus Williams now better on hard courts than on grass?

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Does it matter? She's irrelevant on all surfaces.
Keep it cute.

And the answer is no. She had a disatrous campaign in 2010, and the last two have been largely attributed to her health and of course that nightmare match-up.

I felt like Venus stopped playing as aggressively as she used to on grass post 2008. Her game got rather passive, and she was relying too heavily on trying to rally and maneuver the ball around, without injecting the killer pace she was applying in previous campaigns. That became glaringly obvious in 2011, when she was the picture of uselessness off the ground against Date Krumm, getting out-hit due to the abysmal length of her groundstrokes. She was basically playing slow hard-court tennis on grass.

That said, her game is accentuated on grass when she plays accordingly to the surface.
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She is from Compton. Never count her out.


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