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Pressed? Moi? She's the one getting the constant beatdowns

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It's actually hilarious how pressed you are by Errani
Honestly, if Maria lost to Errani in a slam semifinal I'd be pressed AF too


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Pressed? Moi? She's the one getting the constant beatdowns
Not from Stosur she isn't Sara even managed to bagel her
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I'm just guessing she didn't cuz ya know it's Queen Bethanie
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It's because of the injury, Bethanie was going to eat her alive but Radwanska got lucky as she usually does.
Not so much as injury as being worn out. She lead like 5-2 in the first set and it became a marathon for her just to win it in a TB. She just wore herself out in the first 2 sets.

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Venus played well in that match to be sure, but her level was quite erratic compared to her very best. She was consistently better in the USO05 against Kim / USO07 against Justine / USO10 against Kim, imo. I mean, Serena didn't even have to produce her best tennis of just that TOURNAMENT to get by her (she served and struck the ball better in the final).
She was never consistently better vs Justine at the USO 2007. If anything she resisted to hurricane Joost better than anyone but still could not do anything in Justine's service games until late in the set. She did play amazing to get it to a tiebreak. The second set was nothing like the first.

Vs Kim, she was the best player until losing her lead in the second set. She won what, 1 game in the third set. Losing at her peak? 1-6?

USO 10, Kim was a mess. Venus could have won playing routine tennis she was playing. She flopped in the tiebreak like I've never seen her flop. Losing at her peak?

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That Vinas-Jankovic QF at the 2007 USO sure made for one hell of a highlights reel but it was a shitfest for the most part. Jankovic was having a blast.
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You are a mess. I suggest you look at Venus's ball-striking, movement, length, energy in her '07 encounter against Jankovic compared to the '10 encounter with Sin. She's half the mover in the latter, with half the assurance off the ground.

Actually, compare the '05 level of tennis at the USO to her '10 match. The difference in athleticism is stark. Even in '08 the difference is palpable.

I know you are a concentrated Venus hater, but there's no need to revise the truth so shamelessly.
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Venus's W-UE differential was about -20 or something in that match, iirc.

I don't think her match against Kim in '09 was particularly great, but their '10 match was definitely as well as she's played away from grass post-2003. Her ballstriking was unbelievably crisp, and it was one of those rare matches where her defence was an asset. Her so-called "choke" has also been overstated -- apart from those 2 DFs in the 2nd-set tiebreak (and, let's face it, how many big matches has Venus actually had where she hasn't thrown in some DFs at crucial times), it's not like she collapsed in a mountain of unforced errors at all.
I do agree that her '07 QF with Jelena was low in quality until the 3rd Set but High in drama the whole match.Especially the 3rd set.

But as 2010 SF being Venus as well as she has played from grass post-2003 is not true at all. The biggest thing I should first indicate is her movement. Venus' movent at the 2010 US open is even a stark comparison to her movement just earlier that year.

Venus played better at the Open in 2007 and 2008. Infact to be honest if you go back and watch all of Venus' 2008 US Open matches I felt like Venus was winning with relative ease and seemed to be coasting through matches looking like she was barely trying and still beating opponenta easily until that QF wher(if you want to talk about ball striking) was out hitting Serena so easily to only choke the match away.

I think 2010 was a testament to truly how weak the field was and had Venus and kim been on opposite halfs they would have meet in the finals because no one in that tournament had the talent level they had!
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Dementieva losing to Serena at Wimbledon 2009 semis. That was what I most vividly remembered. I feel that Serena should've lost that day because she kept losing rallies to Elena yet at crucial points, Serena took them as a seasoned GS champ does. That was the best and most rock-solid I've seen Elena play ever. I felt sad for her after that match. I think Elena would've lost to Venus in the final though, but perhaps she would've played for another year if she did reach it.

Also want to throw in the Sharapova-Henin YEC 2007 final. Maria played lights out tennis yet still lost to Justine. She ran out of gas mid in the third set.

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Just to show how Venus movement really degressed in 2010 after that mid season knee injury I got the match vs Kim and vs Na

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Venus vs Na And look at the point at 1:52 Venus would not been able move like that in that US Open match even if she wanted to or tried to!

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That Vinas-Jankovic QF at the 2007 USO sure made for one hell of a highlights reel but it was a shitfest for the most part. Jankovic was having a blast.
Yup. What a lot of people on here don't realize is that a 15 minute highlight reel does not equal a great match. The 2005 US Open QF between Clijsters and Venus was a shitfest of epic proportions but some people on here have made it out to be some sort of classic.


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The Venus-Clijsters U.S Open quarterfinal in 2005 was a pretty good match. Not great but pretty good. Both had similar W-UE stats with the way those two defend is very good and quite rare in their encounters.
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Yup. What a lot of people on here don't realize is that a 15 minute highlight reel does not equal a great match. The 2005 US Open QF between Clijsters and Venus was a shitfest of epic proportions but some people on here have made it out to be some sort of classic.
It's not a classic, far from it, but the sporadic passages of play when the athleticism and shot-making was at a ridiculous high, is well worth recognition.
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