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Dsanders is really trying too hard to make them Venus' - Belgian USO matches happen The match vs Justine was indeed great, the rest were mediocre at best from Venus. Even the 05 QF was a mess but looks good in highlight reels (although admittedly the play was great in parts).

All of the 08 YEC matches, majority of 09 YEC matches, 08 USO vs Aga, Stosur, Serena, 09 Dubai vs Serena, '10 Dubai vs Azarenka are ALL better performances from Venus than any of USO QF 05, 09, SF '10. And that's just from the top of my head.

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i am quite sure chris evert played a bunch of matches at her peak and lost to navratilova......
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Dsanders is really trying too hard to make them Venus' - Belgian USO matches happen The match vs Justine was indeed great, the rest were mediocre at best from Venus. Even the 05 QF was a mess but looks good in highlight reels (although admittedly the play was great in parts).

All of the 08 YEC matches, majority of 09 YEC matches, 08 USO vs Aga, Stosur, Serena, 09 Dubai vs Serena, '10 Dubai vs Azarenka are ALL better performances from Venus than any of USO QF 05, 09, SF '10. And that's just from the top of my head.

Please stop.
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Dsanders is really trying too hard to make them Venus' - Belgian USO matches happen The match vs Justine was indeed great, the rest were mediocre at best from Venus. Even the 05 QF was a mess but looks good in highlight reels (although admittedly the play was great in parts).

All of the 08 YEC matches, majority of 09 YEC matches, 08 USO vs Aga, Stosur, Serena, 09 Dubai vs Serena, '10 Dubai vs Azarenka are ALL better performances from Venus than any of USO QF 05, 09, SF '10. And that's just from the top of my head.

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I'm astonished. This thread is two weeks old and has 15 pages and still nobody has mentioned this one:
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Link above doesn't work. Second attempt:
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Dsanders is really trying too hard to make them Venus' - Belgian USO matches happen The match vs Justine was indeed great, the rest were mediocre at best from Venus. Even the 05 QF was a mess but looks good in highlight reels (although admittedly the play was great in parts).

All of the 08 YEC matches, majority of 09 YEC matches, 08 USO vs Aga, Stosur, Serena, 09 Dubai vs Serena, '10 Dubai vs Azarenka are ALL better performances from Venus than any of USO QF 05, 09, SF '10. And that's just from the top of my head.

Please stop.

Didn't Venus reach the final with only one round robin win ? I remember the 2009 YEC as a horrible tournament. Serena only had to show up to win it, the rest of the field was playing like horseshit.
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Errani vs Venus Cincinnati 2012

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Didn't Venus reach the final with only one round robin win ? I remember the 2009 YEC as a horrible tournament. Serena only had to show up to win it, the rest of the field was playing like horseshit.
Yeah - the tournament itself ended up being a bit of a flop, but the RR match against Serena and RR match against Kuznetsova were Venus at a much higher level than the 09 USO QF / 10 SF.



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Yeah - the tournament itself ended up being a bit of a flop, but the RR match against Serena and RR match against Kuznetsova were Venus at a much higher level than the 09 USO QF / 10 SF.


Take your advice and "please stop". Or, better yet, look up the stats for those horrendous quality YEC09 matches and compare them to the stats of the USO05 QF, so you can realise your heinous error of even suggesting they're comparable
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Take your advice and "please stop". Or, better yet, look up the stats for those horrendous quality YEC09 matches and compare them to the stats of the USO05 QF, so you can realise your heinous error of even suggesting they're comparable
Horrendous quality, yet the uploader had to state this in the video description: "It was a great match, I had to cut off all the aces so that the video could be shorter than 15 mins"

Anyway, the videos speak volumes, and speak far more than dsander's delusional revisionist history will ever do. Venus moves like a corpse in the 09/10 USO matches in comparison to these, and her shots are no where near as penetrating and effective. Her energetic movement around the ball is practically non-existent in the '10 SF

PS: I said that the 05 QF was great in patches

Anyway, to hopefully kill this myth once and for all, here are even more post 03 HC matches in which Venus plays better than the supposed holy grail that is USO 09 QF:




















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Horrendous quality, yet the uploader had to state this in the video description: "It was a great match, I had to cut off all the aces so that the video could be shorter than 15 mins"

Anyway, the videos speak volumes, and speak far more than dsander's delusional revisionist history will ever do. Venus moves like a corpse in the 09/10 USO matches in comparison to these, and her shots are no where near as penetrating and effective. Her energetic movement around the ball is practically non-existent in the '10 SF

PS: I said that the 05 QF was great in patches

Anyway, to hopefully kill this myth once and for all, here are even more post 03 HC matches in which Venus plays better than the supposed holy grail that is USO 09 QF:



















What's the USO09 QF? That's why I assumed you meant the USO 05, because they didn't play in the QFs in '09.

If you mean the USO09 4R, then I explicitly said in a previous post that I thought that was a bad match and that I wasn't counting that as one of Venus's 3 best post-03 hardcourt matches Talk about a strawman argument.
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A player can never beat the Williams Sisters, they and their fans always have an excuse, it's either they didn't play well or the player that beat them made "lucky shots".

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Holy video clip explosion!
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