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View Poll Results: Peak Juju vs Peak Maria
Juju wins on every surface 29 60.42%
Maria wins on every surface 6 12.50%
Juju wins only on clay, Maria wins the rest 8 16.67%
Maria wins on grass, Juju wins the rest. 5 10.42%
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post #1 of 33 (permalink) Old Nov 19th, 2012, 09:44 PM Thread Starter
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Peak Juju vs Peak Maria

A post of Dsanders in the peak Venus vs peak Maria got me thinking about this match-up.

And does two more majors by Maria really put her above Juju?!

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Re: Peak Juju vs Peak Maria

Justine wins easily on clay no question (watch some deluded Maria stans who will pick her to win even on clay though, lol, you should have had an option to see the names who are voting so we can spot who those clowns are). On other surfaces it depends what you mean peak as. If peaks in terms of both playing their absolute best then it is 50/50 on outdoor hard courts or grass, with Henin winning indoors. If peak means their general peak periods Henin was much more consistent playing her best than Maria, Maria was very consistent for a power hitters but Henin's game is simply lower risk by nature, so Henin wins more often than not even on those surfaces in that case. Either way all things considered I picked Henin on all surfaces, but outside of clay it would be a nice rivalry.
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If you are comparing peak for peak, and it would be easier to just make a poll about all the common suspects frequently involved in such polls.

Like - whose peak was the most/ least impressive between Serena, Venus, heng, and Kimberley and Maria.

Anyway, peak Justin wins on all surfaces pretty handily, but except maybe slow hc

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Re: Peak Juju vs Peak Maria

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If you are comparing peak for peak, and it would be easier to just make a poll about all the common suspects frequently involved in such polls.

Like - whose peak was the most/ least impressive between Serena, Venus, heng, and Kimberley and Maria.

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Most and least would be easy of those ladies. Most Serena, least Clijsters. To give Clijsters some competition for least impressive peak amongst recent many time slam winners bring in some others like Davenport and Hingis (I wouldnt agree with Hingis but I know she has some detractors).
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Most and least would be easy of those ladies. Most Serena, least Clijsters. To give Clijsters some competition for least impressive peak amongst recent many time slam winners bring in some others like Davenport and Hingis (I wouldnt agree with Hingis but I know she has some detractors).
Serena, Venus and henin clearly had more impressive peaks than Maria and Kim. Peak Kim does do a lot of things better than peak Maria so the bottom place isn't as easy to determine imo. Both the ladies have glaring weaknesses in their game even when they are/were at their peak.

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Serena, Venus and henin clearly had more impressive peaks than Maria and Kim. Peak Kim does do a lot of things better than peak Maria so the bottom place isn't as easy to determine imo.

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You could be right but I think peak Maria would overpower Kim in the long run. I cant see Kim beating Maria in her 2006 U.S Open, 2007 WTA Championships, 2008 Australian Open, or 2012 French Open form.
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Re: Peak Juju vs Peak Maria

LOL already a vote from someone who thinks peak Maria would win even on clay. I look forward to the comedic value of this thread.
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Re: Peak Juju vs Peak Maria

Maria on grass, Juju others.
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Re: Peak Juju vs Peak Maria

Yawn. These discussions dominated last year's offseason:

WWW Peak Henin Vs Peak Sharapova on OUTDOOR HARDCOURTS??

WWW: 07 USO Henin vs. 08 AO Sharapova?
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Re: Peak Juju vs Peak Maria

Anyway, this is one match-up that DOESN'T favour Maria. Unlike Peak Venus, Peak Justine actually does have superb defensive abilities that would bring back all of Maria's best shots back into play and disrupt her rhythm. And, while Peak Maria's offensive game is streets ahead of Peak Justine's, Peaktine is certainly capable of playing good enough offense to take advantage the second Maria gives her an opening, which you have to do against Peak Maria if you're employing a primarily counterpunching strategy.

Don't agree with any of the poll options; imo, the only surface Peak Maria beats Peaktine on is slow hardcourts. Even though Maria is more accomplished than Justine on grass, I feel the dynamics of the match-up favour Justine on that surface -- just her slice and netplay is enough to expose how vulnerable Maria is to low-bouncing balls on grass (see the Wimbledon '06 match against Mauresmo).
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One thing I have always been mystified by is some idea Maria is clearly better than Justine on grass. Just because she won Wimbledon and Justine didnt? I dont consider Maria any better than Justine on grass atleast as far as ability, probably greater since a Wimbledon title is a Wimbledon title, but not any better. I consider Hingis no better than Henin on grass, and Conchita Martinez much worse than Henin on grass, and they won Wimbledon too. The only edge Maria has over Justine on grass is winning Wimbledon, Justine has more strong performances at Wimbledon otherwise, and many more grass titles including multiple titles at Eastborne. If Justine had won the 06 Wimbledon final, or had Maria lost the 04 Wimbledon semi to Davenport, nobody would think Maria is better on grass. I think in terms of ability Justine is atleast on par with Maria on grass, both are far behind Venus, Serena, Davenport, and also behind Mauresmo, and above anyone else of their era (unless you count Kvitova as part of Maria's era, she isnt part of Justine's really). That Maria won Wimbledon and Justine didnt is mostly a product of the fact Maria happened to play her best tennis in a Wimbledon final (2004) while Justine happened to not do so, especialy the one she really had a chance to win in 2006.
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Re: Peak Juju vs Peak Maria

Juju would win easily on clay, grass would go to Sharapova. On hard court I give the edge to Sharapova too, because Justine was pretty much playing at her best at the USO 06 and Maria beat her in straight sets playing unbelievably well.

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Justine was pretty much playing at her best at the USO 06
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Juju would win easily on clay, grass would go to Sharapova. On hard court I give the edge to Sharapova too, because Justine was pretty much playing at her best at the USO 06 and Maria beat her in straight sets playing unbelievably well.
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