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post #1 of 76 (permalink) Old Nov 9th, 2012, 05:25 PM Thread Starter
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Serena holding real slam record if she reaches 20 slams

I would argue if Serena reaches 20 slams she holds the real and true slam record. It is well known the marks of Court (Australian Open illegitimate slam back then) and Graf (Seles stabbing) are asterixed and not fully legit marks. Graf has 22 slams but had the Seles stabbing never happened she would have at most 19. Court has 24 slams, but 11 are Australian Opens which on average 2 of the top 10 played per year then. She won only between 3-5 at the 3 real slams, so one can assume her final slam total would be 16-18 with something from 3-5 Australian Opens if it were a real slam like the other 3. So considering the asterixes what we really have is a bunch of women tied at 18 or 19 slams for the record- Wills (19), Graf (19 at most), Court (18 at most), Navratilova (18), Evert (18). Serena reaching 20 would eclipse those 5 women who all hold 18 or 19 slams and set the new true mark.
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Re: Serena holding real slam record if she reaches 20 slams

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It is well known the marks of Court (Australian Open illegitimate slam back then) and Graf (Seles stabbing) are asterixed and not fully legit marks.
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Stop trollbaiting.
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stop the foolishness. 22>20

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Re: Serena holding real slam record if she reaches 20 slams

it will be like Serena Slam , everyone will think it's legitimate Grand Slam , but still in history books will be written "non calendar" and Graf will be mentioned above....

So i think Serena reaching 20 Slams will be considered GOAT by current generation but 20 years later Graf and Court will be again ahead

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stop the foolishness. 22>20
24>22 too yet Court's record is dismissed by virtually all (rightfully IMO) due to the Australian Open status of the pre 1980s. However if that mark is asterixed and diminished, why is the same not done for Graf's mark which was boosted by the Seles stabbing. It is hypocritical to diminish one and not the other. Both are diminished or should be.
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I was waiting for a confirmation. But yes, looks like you are some kind of troll.

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Re: Serena holding real slam record if she reaches 20 slams

Now this new idiot, is just contradicting him/her self, trolling and stargazing/glory hunting.

He/she just posted in another (even more ridiculous--related) thread, that 'Graf didn't benefit from the Seles stabbing'.

Please ignore, move on.

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Re: Serena holding real slam record if she reaches 20 slams

So reminding of what many already say, including many experts and past greats of the game, that both the Court and Graf slam marks carry a huge and heavy asterix which will never be forgotten is trolling? Either way we will see if Serena reaches 20 slams (and I think she will). She will be touted as holding the true and most impressive unblemished slam mark if she does. Had the Australian Open been a real slam and had Seles not been stabbed, neither Court or Graf would have 20 slams, and everyone knows it.
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Now this new idiot, is just contradicting himself, trolling and stargazing/glory hunting.

He/she just posted in another (even more ridulous--related) thread, that 'Graf didn't benefit from the Seles stabbing'.

Please ignore.
I said she didnt benefit that much. I didnt say she didnt benefit, just not a huge amount. I think Graf would probably have 7 Wimbledons, 4 French Opens, 4 Australian Opens, and 4 U.S Opens and still be considered the GOAT (atleast before Serena) today by most people with that kind of record. That is how I think she didnt benefit a huge amount. However her final slam total is definitely boosted.

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OP is probably some 12 year old, who thinks tennis only started when Kournikova got her muff out for Playboy.
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Idiot, I said she didnt benefit that much. I didnt say she didnt benefit, just not a huge amount. Learn to comprehend first grade reading, if you even went past first grade. I think Graf would probably have 7 Wimbledons, 4 French Opens, 4 Australian Opens, and 4 U.S Opens and still be considered the GOAT (atleast before Serena) today by most people with that kind of record. That is how I think she didnt benefit a huge amount. However her final slam total is definitely boosted.
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Re: Serena holding real slam record if she reaches 20 slams

There is no asterisk. The record book straight up says Margaret Court won 24 majors, and that Graf won 22, the most in the Open Era.

This discussion about the quality of Court's titles and the Seles stabbing come up in the discussion of mythical GOAT status, which is not the same thing as holding the record for slam titles.

Ordinarily, I'd close this thread, but it's the offseason and I expect it will die on it's own.

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