How does Sharapova's career slam stack up against the Career slams before hers?

Sgt.Timmykinz · Oct 17, 2012

10 women have done it, Sharpie being the most recent.

How impressive has her career slam been when placed in the conext of previous career slams by the likes of Serena, Steffi, Martina, Chris etc?

Some would argue that the career slam wins since the open era were acheived by legends of the sport, but not many would place that mantel on Maria so what does it mean for the significance of the career slam?

Mr.Sharapova · Oct 18, 2012

It is very impressive actually. The fact that she won on clay at Roland Garros to do it just shows how determined she was to have this feat in her career.

edificio · Oct 18, 2012

Trolling thread.

She has the career slam. That is a great accomplishment. She still has a future in tennis to attempt to win more slams. The end.

Mistress of Evil · Oct 18, 2012

And if I may ask why on Earth is this still opened? Maxwell & the other mods you have completely given up on closing actual trolling threads concerning Maria, it has actually become a pattern know. I realize that its like 10 of them everyday but please do your job!

AcesHigh · Oct 18, 2012

Why is this thread still open? It as obviously a troll thread.

LeRoy. · Oct 18, 2012

she is by far the worst of the lot.

ziros · Oct 18, 2012

I think Maria deserves a lot of respect for this as well. No other active player in sight

Winning at least one a year Years #
1. Martina Navratilova 1974-94 21
2. Chris Evert 1971-88 18
3. Steffi Graf 1986-99 14
4. Evonne Goolagong 1970-80 11
= Virginia Wade 1968-78 11
6. Maria Sharapova 2003–12 10
7. Sandra Cecchini 1984-92 9
= Margaret Court 1968–76 9
= Lindsay Davenport 1993–01 9
= Conchita Martínez 1988-96 9
= Arantxa S-Vicario 1988-96 9

Mugs like Serena and Venus Williams always had one year or another when they f**ked around

Vincey! · Oct 18, 2012

Don't try to make Sharapova's achievements even a little bit respectful..her haters will always come and tell you she's the worse of the bunch anyway

NashaMasha · Oct 18, 2012

young_gunner913

who told you that this thread is about Serena vs Masha? Serena is better by far than any other player of her era.

In this thread discussion is more about

I mean player with CGS vs Players without CGS.
Sharapova vs Clijsters, ASV, Mandlikova and Hingis

In my opinion, Sharapova vs Hingis in Slam achievement are on par, because CGS compensate one slam difference, but Martina is still leading with her other achievements

NashaMasha · Oct 18, 2012

Serena has literally dragged her across all tennis surfaces. Serena has executed the Career surface draggin of Martha.

they still has never played on Red Clay. But it's not the point of this tread's discussion.

By the way, Career Surface Draggin of Vika is even more respectable

brickhousesupporter · Oct 18, 2012

NashaMasha said:
they still has never played on Red Clay. But it's not the point of this tread's discussion.

young_gunner913 said:

You know the WTA really should separate the results into blue, purple and green hardcourts. So you masha fans can claim that she never beat Maria on yellow hardcourts.

jameshazza · Oct 18, 2012

Better than Cocaine's. :shrug:

Dave. · Oct 18, 2012

It doesn't.

NashaMasha · Oct 18, 2012

You know the WTA really should separate the results into blue, purple and green hardcourts. So you masha fans can claim that she never beat Maria on yellow hardcourts.

Probably you are not aware that US Open was held on green clay and that time tennisfans were aware what are the differences between fast green clay and slow red clay. The same as we know the difference between Decoturf and Plexicushion....

But now even Jon Wertheim's and Pete Bodo's IQ-s are not enough to understand it, of course I have no hope for some moronic TF posters ever even try to find out why these surfaces are called green , red

brickhousesupporter · Oct 18, 2012

NashaMasha said:
Probably you are not aware that US Open was held on green clay and that time tennisfans were aware what are the differences between fast green clay and slow red clay. The same as we know the difference between Decoturf and Plexicushion....

But now even Jon Wertheim's and Pete Bodo's IQ-s are not enough to understand it, of course I have no hope for some moronic TF posters ever even try to find out why these surfaces are called green , red

Thank you for that non needed tennis history lesson. I am well aware of the surface transitions that the majors have made.....

shoryuken · Oct 18, 2012

Let's leave Lordrena out of this as there's not even a comparison. Where are the Coketina fans to defend her honor? :lol:

NashaMasha · Oct 18, 2012

still waiting when Justine will exchange her RG trophy on Hingis's two AO-s

But AFAIC Justine demanded Wimbledon plate:lol: So they will hardly ever come to an agreement.

NashaP · Oct 18, 2012

Why has this turned into a Maria vs Serena WWE smackdown :lol:

Anyways, If Maria manages to win 2 or 3 more slams, she will be greater than Hingis (already tied), Venus and Henin :hearts:

Vincey! · Oct 18, 2012

You'Re aware that Hingis only have 5 slams right?

jameshazza · Oct 18, 2012

For all the shit dsanders and doomsday get, at least we have the intelligence to not reply to brickshitsupporter and bandabou. :zzz:

Dominic · Oct 19, 2012

:haha:

NashaMasha · Oct 18, 2012

true greatness in tennis - winning as much GS trophies as possible and win it on all 4 tennis surfaces (fast and slow hard, clay and grass). So Kuerten will never be on par with Ashe and Davenport for that reason

In Martina Hingis vs Sharapova case it's a bit more complicated , because Martina has more Slams , Masha has won less but on different surfaces. That's why it's essential to check their other achievements , in which Martina is leading so far... But Masha is still playing and has all chances to improve her resume

By the way, who is greater Don Budge(6 Slams + 4 Pro Slams) with Calendar GS or Roy Emerson (12 Slams) ? One more provement that Slam count is significant but when it's close there are other achievements which can turn it around

Moreover, i have seen quite often Sampras vs Nadal threads and they are far from being one sided , because of Nadal's CGS

faboozadoo15 · Oct 19, 2012

It' hilarious to think that this thread was meant to throw dirt on the "least accomplished" player of the most elite group of female tennis players in history, a player who is currently ranked #2 and is only 25 years old.

Bravo.

brickhousesupporter · Oct 19, 2012

faboozadoo15 said:
It' hilarious to think that this thread was meant to throw dirt on the "least accomplished" player of the most elite group of female tennis players in history, a player who is currently ranked #2 and is only 25 years old.

Bravo.

This is where you are wrong.....Career Grand Slam does not determine your eliteness....it just so happens that several elite players also have a CGS. ie Venus, Martina, Henin, Seles, Goolagong etc......all elite tennis players....and don't have the CGS.

Cosmic Voices · Oct 19, 2012

omg what a mess of a thread, thank God i had a life and went out partying last night :cheer:

(masha stans i still love you :oh:

)

NashaMasha · Oct 19, 2012

This is where you are wrong.....Career Grand Slam does not determine your eliteness....it just so happens that several elite players also have a CGS. ie Venus, Martina, Henin, Seles, Goolagong etc......all elite tennis players....and don't have the CGS.

but they have 7+ Slams , that's why they are Elite tennis players , if anyone of them had CGS she would have had an edge over the rest

kiwifan · Oct 19, 2012

well she's done the exact minimum that it takes to qualify over the most amount of time of any player ever.

I don't think any player will ever go 2 years between slams to win all 4 (and only 1 of each) ever again.

Pova career slam is probably "unique".

faboozadoo15 · Oct 19, 2012

http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=286486&highlight=greater+seles+serena

:tape:

Nearly every single Serena fan was mentioning the career slam. :lol:
And Monica had nearly twice as many titles, probably 100 more weeks at #1, and more majors.

But sure, the only people who care about the CGS are Sharapova fans.

bandabou · Oct 19, 2012

And 4 years later, well...:lol: Serena did her thing. So that's what Masha's to do..do her thing. :lol:

NashaMasha · Oct 19, 2012

When Seles and Serena were equal at Slam count:

In The Zone said:
Serena held all 4 at the same time.

Wimbledon will be the kryptonite in Seles' resume. And also you know who.

Geisha said:
While I believe their career achievements are close, the edge clearly goes to Serena.

They are equal in GS count, but Serena has won all four. Monica had a longer "dominant" period, and was probably more dominant at the time, but Serena has greater longevity.

Renalicious said:
It's Serena now I have to say. She's held all four majors while Seles hasn't. That just beats it I think.

G1Player2 said:
And Seles not winning Wimbledon is huge. It's the greatest prize in tennis. If you don't win it, you are really automatically out of the running of being an all-time great. Even then, it's debatable if Serena is greater than Seles. I hapen to think that now, she is. Sorry your personal hatred of Serena is having you see otherwise.

starin said:
Serena > Seles.

Same # of slams but Serena has won all 4 and held all 4 at the same time. That bumps her up to an elite group and is not something that can overcome by more # of singles titles or more weeks at no.1.

maddogz48 said:
Serena is greater. Seles needs to go win a Wimby title to be in the same league as Serena at the moment.

daffodil said:
It's a tough call.

Monica has more years in the Top 10.
Monica has more years ending #1.
Monica has more weeks @ #1.
Monica has more season-ending championships.
They are tied in Grand Slam match winning percentage @ 85%.
Monica leads Serena in winning percentage overall 83% to 82%.
But...

Serena has greater longevity.
Serena has the career Grand Slam.
Serena's won 4 in a ROW.

Serena's won WIMBLEDON, no other tournament compares, & she won it twice.

I pick Serena.

Thanx4nothin said:
The reality is that Serena won all 4 slams and Seles didn't, that is the deal breaker here for the majority...

Tennisforum was so much more sensible and less retarded in 2008 .... By the way, I completely agree with all abovequoted posts

brickhousesupporter · Oct 19, 2012

NashaMasha said:
When Seles and Serena were equal at Slam count:

Tennisforum was so much more sensible and less retarded in 2008 .... By the way, I completely agree with all abovequoted posts

brickhousesupporter said:
So in your opinion, it at least gives her 2 extra, because not only is it not equal, it is better than 5GS on 2 surfaces. A career grand slam should only be used as a tie breaker when all things are equal. You cannot use it to get her on equal footing with those who have more slams.

I guess reading comprehension isn't you strong suit, you just posted things that back up my previous position (posted in this thread). Serena and Seles had the same slam count the thing that push them over the edge was having Wimbledon which Seles did not. No where was CGS mentioned.

NashaMasha · Oct 19, 2012

question about "all 4 Slams"

Shvedbarilescu said:
And that is worth more than 120 addition weeks at number 1, more than 20 additional tournaments won and five more years in the top 10? :shrug:

answer

Dodoboy. said:
Yes.

Wtrain said:
Honestly... yes

jacobruiz · Oct 19, 2012

:lol:

Cosmic Voices · Oct 19, 2012

NanaMasha

NashaMasha · Oct 19, 2012

Serena and Seles had the same slam count the thing that push them over the edge was having Wimbledon which Seles did not. No where was CGS mentioned.

Have you read other posts? What is more, absence of CGS and absence of Wimbledon in Seles Resume are the same drawback in Seles's achievements. It's just different names of the same thing.

With equal Slam count there is no doubts who has an edge if one has CGS and the other doesn't. As for situation when one has +1 Slams and the other has CGS - it's a more tied situation and the edge has the one who has more other achievements.

brickhousesupporter · Oct 19, 2012

NashaMasha said:
Have you read other posts? What is more, absence of CGS and absence of Wimbledon in Seles Resume are the same drawback in Seles's achievements. It's just different names of the same thing.

With equal Slam count there is no doubts who has an edge if one has CGS and the other doesn't. As for situation when one has +1 Slams and the other has CGS - it's a more tied situation and the edge has the one who has more other achievements.

This is where you fuck things up...no it doesn't.

How does Sharapova's career slam stack up against the Career slams before hers?

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