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post #1 of 10 (permalink) Old Oct 7th, 2012, 08:43 PM Thread Starter
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The New Jacks are taking over!

Oaky, so not SO new .....

Was just looking at ages of top sixteen, noting that 25 used to be an age at which even the average 'top' player retired. Players in red born AFTER BEFORE 1987.


31/07/89 01 Azarenka, Victoria
19/04/87 02 Sharapova, Maria
26/09/81 03 Williams, Serena
06/03/89 04 Radwanska, Agnieszka
08/03/90 05 Kvitova, Petra
08/01/88 06 Kerber, Angelique
26/02/82 07 Li, Na
29/04/87 08 Errani, Sara

30/03/84 09 Stosur ...... 4400
02/10/84 10 Bartoli ..... 4010

11/07/90 11 Wozniacki ... 3585
06/11/87 12 Ivanovic..... 3035
06/05/89 13 Cibulkova ... 2925
08/06/82 14 Petro........ 2845
18/02/83 15 Vinc ........ 2405
25/01/87 16 Kirilenko.... 2373

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Re: The New Jacks are taking over!

Other than a few rare exceptions of burn-out and injury (Austin, Hingis, Henin), when was 25 the average retirement age? Court, Evert, Navratilova, Graf, Seles, Venus, Serena...

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Other than a few rare exceptions of burn-out and injury (Austin, Hingis, Henin), when was 25 the average retirement age? Court, Evert, Navratilova, Graf, Seles, Venus, Serena...
You have do the math but, see link below

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2653876/

Alo see

http://www.wtatennis.com/SEWTATour-A...ilityStudy.pdf

I hope that addresses the point adequately

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Players in red born AFTER 1987.
Am I over tired and can't think straight or are the people in red not born BEFORE 1987?
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Am I over tired and can't think straight or are the people in red not born BEFORE 1987?
ONE of us is/was obviously overtired and can't think straight, but I don't 'think' it was you.

I'll try and make a correction.

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Re: The New Jacks are taking over!

Using the same rules (though 25 doesnt really mean young to me), this was the situation a year ago (Oct 10th rankings)

11/07/90 01 Wozniacki, Caroline
19/04/87 02 Sharapova, Maria
31/07/89 03 Azarenka, Victoria
08/03/90 04 Kvitova, Petra
07/09/84 05 Zvonareva, Vera
30/03/84 06 Stosur, Sam
26/02/82 07 Li, Na

06/03/89 08 Radwanska, Agnieszka
09/09/87 09 Petkovic, Andrea
08/06/83 10 Clijsters, Kim
02/10/84 11 Bartoli, Marion
23/06/80 12 Schiavone, Francesca
28/02/85 13 Jankovic, Jelena
26/09/81 14 Williams, Serena

03/07/91 15 Pavlyuchenkova, Anastasia
08/01/86 16 Shuai, Peng

And two years ago, October 11th rankings (if this helps make your case).

11/07/90 01 Wozniacki, Caroline
26/09/81 02 Williams, Serena
07/09/84 03 Zvonareva, Vera
17/06/80 04 Williams Venus
08/06/83 05 Clijsters, Kim
23/06/80 06 Schiavone, Francesca

28/02/85 07 Jankovic, Jelena
30/03/84 08 Stosur, Sam
15/10/81 09 Dementieva, Elena

31/07/89 10 Azarenka, Victoria
26/02/82 11 Li, Na
01/06/82 12 Henin, Justine

01/05/87 13 Peer, Shahar
06/03/89 14 Radwanska, Agnieszka
14/03/87 15 Rezai, Aravane
02/10/84 16 Bartoli, Marion

Lena D and Navratilova
Petrova, Zvonareva, Clijsters, Li
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Azarenka, Floptra/Shitra
Halep, Hantuchova, Goerges, Keys, Pavlyuchenkova, Makarova, Sharapova, The Other Russians, Koukalova, Safarova,
Kerber, Bacsinszky, Muguruza, Bencic, Paszek, Kanepi, Shvedova, Martic, Watson, Robson, Kimiko, Barthel, Erakovic, Sevastova

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I hope that addresses the point adequately
It doesn't. As hingisGOAT pointed out, 25 has "never" been the age at which most top players retired. I guess top can mean anything - so let's say top 25.

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2002 YE (Born before 1977 in red)
1 Serena Williams
2 Venus Williams
3 Jennifer Capriati
4 Kim Clijsters
5 Justine Henin
6 Amelie Mauresmo
7 Monica Seles
8 Daniela Hantuchova
9 Jelena Dokic
10 Martina Hingis
11 Anastasia Myskina
12 Lindsay Davenport
13 Chanda Rubin
14 Magdalena Maleeva
15 Patty Schnyder
16 Anna Smashnova

1992 YE (Born before 1967 in red)
1 Monica Seles
2 Steffi Graf
3 Gabriela Sabatini
4 Arantxa Sanchez Vicario
5 Martina Navratilova
6 Mary Joe Fernandez
7 Jennifer Capriati
8 Conchita Martinez
9 Manuela Maleeva-Fragniere
10 Jana Novotna
11 Anke Huber
12 Helena Sukova
13 Mary Pierce
14 Nathalie Tauziat
15 Lori McNeil
16 Katerina Maleeva

1982 YE (Born before 1957 in red)
1 Martina Navratilova
2 Chris Evert Lloyd
3 Andrea Jaeger (USA)
4 Tracy Austin (USA)
5 Wendy Turnbull
6 Pam Shriver
7 Hana Mandlikova
8 Barbara Potter
9 Bettina Bunge
10 Sylvia Hanika
11 Virginia Ruzici
12 Mima Jausovec
13 Anne Smith
14 Billie Jean King
15 Kathy Rinaldi
16 Zina Garrison

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Re: The New Jacks are taking over!

There are many ways to view these stats. One thing is that there were the same number of 25+ players in the top-16 in 2002 and 1982 as there are now.

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