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You know, you all can sit around here and tell each other the BS. The fact of the matter is the MOTIVE of the STABBER was to advance Graf. You all saying you all know more than the person that stabbed Seles. You are saying the stabber is lying. If you are not, and you are agreeing that it did advance Graf, you cannot say or measure to what degree. Therefore, and no fault of her own, everything after that is looked at with a judicous eye. As sinster as the stabbing was, I wouldn't put it past Graf's father to concoct something like this. Oh, yeah..

Then we have the part of the stabber dam near being let scott free!! In a GERMAN COURT!!

Please, no response, I can't stand it anymore.. I am ready to go out and find a roof and screeeeeeeemmmmm!!
Once again, you're over simplifying it (there was so much going on-true and not true, before and after), and mindlessly repeating the miscellaneous rambling of a crazy man. And of course, you ignore, if you even care to know, everything Monica (the aggrieved party) said/says. Just stop.
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I can't stand it anymore.. I am ready to go out and find a roof and screeeeeeeemmmmm!!
Sometimes I wish to ask:"Oh,man,are you crazy indeed?"
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The fact of the matter is the MOTIVE of the STABBER was to advance Graf.
So,if a woman you don't know harms and stabs your wife just to be with you,would you consider going to jail just because you were the main motive of the stabber,even though you were unaware of her existence?

Or would you agree with the punishment of receiving a Court order never to marry or relate again,just because you are dangerous for your future partners?
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So,if a woman you don't know harms and stabs your wife just to be with you,would you consider going to jail just because you were the main motive of the stabber,even though you were unaware of her existence?

Or would you agree with the punishment of receiving a Court order never to marry or relate again,just because you are dangerous for your future partners?
I wonder what punishment the stabber would've gotten in your scenario...because we know in the Parche scenario the stabber didn't get ANY punishment. That's got to be the most frustrating thing of it all.

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Correct me if I'm wrong. When you talk about Monica, are you saying Monica accepts the fact that she could have contributed more herself after the Parche incident, and it can't all be blamed on Parche and Graf?
will you just stop it?! You're getting real annoying with your putting blame on Seles-act.
It's bad enough that Parche didn't get any punishment, now you wanna put the blame on Monica for what happened?!

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OH. OK.

But you know it's taboo to mention Monica's response--in light of what happened, cause many want to blame it strictly on Parche and label Graf the beneficiary (despite the fact that Seles was healthy and security was increased). Those were the facts.

Some people think your being cold, when you say that (after repeated cries by Seles fans and the multitude of woulda, coulda, shoulda's). However, it's not always as clear cut at they want it to be. And that's being/saying it politely.
security was increased?! I guess you missed the thread about Roger receicing death threats.
There it's discussed how in Leipzig for example...there are NO guards whatsoever and that people can reach the players without any problem at all. Yeah, security increased.

The incident should've never occured, so enough with the discussion about how Seles should've dealt with it or that somebody else might have dealt with it. If Graf was so strong then the divorce of her parents shouldn't have prompted the 'slump'then either, no?!

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The incident should've never occured, so enough with the discussion about how Seles should've dealt with it or that somebody else might have dealt with it. If Graf was so strong then the divorce of her parents shouldn't have prompted the 'slump'then either, no?!
You are mixing up things,nobody discussed how one should have dealt with an incident itself,but rather how you deal with your tennis preparations after you decide to come back.

Both Graf and Seles were not that strong and actions off the court affected them,with only difference that Graf still cared about her fitness which helped her when she was feeling mentally better,unlike Monica who didn't have the physical abilities to get back on track,as her game was still good for most of the Tour,but for the very top she must have worked a little bit harder on her physical shape and she just didn't!

Seles never cared about her physical shape and fitness when she came back and that was the point,not how she dealt with an incident itself.
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You are mixing up things,nobody discussed how one should have dealt with an incident itself,but rather how you deal with your tennis preparations after you decide to come back.

Both Graf and Seles were not that strong and actions off the court affected them,with only difference that Graf still cared about her fitness which helped her when she was feeling mentally better,unlike Monica who didn't have the physical abilities to get back on track,as her game was still good for most of the Tour,but for the very top she must have worked a little bit harder on her physical shape and she just didn't!

Seles never cared about her physical shape and fitness when she came back and that was the point,not how she dealt with an incident itself.
This is something wholy different. Excelsior is alluding to the fact that the wound healed in a week, like Monica was a weakling for not coming back sooner.

Once she came back, those results stand...never disputed that one.

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I wonder what punishment the stabber would've gotten in your scenario...because we know in the Parche scenario the stabber didn't get ANY punishment. That's got to be the most frustrating thing of it all.
Highest possible for that kind of act,if you ask me

My scenario was just an example that you just can't punish the person that has been just the motive,if that person wasn't involved,because you,as a person,are not responsible for someone else's actions.

That means that Parche should have been severely punished,but it's just silly to try and punish Graf by taking her titles away,just because she was an unaware motive,even try involving her father in the whole matter so that her "punishment" of taking away should be justified in the eyes of the world as she herself is not guilty.

I have finished Law University and really love Monica for everything that she represented for our country while growing up,but still my inner feeling doesn't allow me to be subjective as I keep it just for myself.

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Highest possible for that kind of act,if you ask me

My scenario was just an example that you just can't punish the person that has been just the motive,if that person wasn't involved,because you,as a person,are not responsible for someone else's actions.

That means that Parche should have been severely punished,but it's just silly to try and punish Graf by taking her titles away,just because she was an unaware motive,even try involving her father in the whole matter so that her "punishment" should be justified in the eyes of the world as she herself is not guilty.

I have finished Law University and really love Monica for everything that she represented for our country while growing up,but still my inner feeling doesn't allow me to be subjective as I keep it just for myself.
That's the thing...nobody got punished in real life BUT Monica. Gunther walked free, Steffi got her act together and start winning everything again..and Monica? Only the wound/the mental aspect and the what if's.

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That's the thing...nobody got punished in real life BUT Monica.
Well,the good part is that she was never forgotten and was still loved and remembered in our country.
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Well,the good part is that she was never forgotten and was still loved and remembered in our country.
Only good thing! Indeed...

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Seles never cared about her physical shape and fitness when she came back and that was the point,not how she dealt with an incident itself.

Seles "did not care about her physical shape" because after the stabbing she a had a eating disorder and depressions

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Well,the good part is that she was never forgotten and was still loved and remembered in our country.
Our country was ROBBED of what could have been. Monica could have went on to be the most famous GOAT of all time. However, we will never know. Because Germany, through her citizens, whether it be Gunther or Graf's father, put a stop on Monica. And Germany as a nation gave its blessing and approval by letting the stabber go free. This is all history,and you Graf Tards can come all you want with these upside down and sidways explanations but it doesn't change the fact that Graf's record is TAINTED and it was done by the Germans for a German Player!!

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