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Re: So does this weekend pretty much determine player of the year?

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You said it. And again since when Olympics is more important than tournaments like Indian Wells/Rome
Just so you know, I've never been one of those people that say the Olympics is not important.

Ask Andy Murray how important it was to him?

Of course it's important, cause the top/best players made it important (and rearranged their entire schedules and played -HUSH-Fed Cup for it).

Yes being an almost part time player may not be the fairest thing (cause it keeps Rena fresh/fresher against her peers).

However, if she wins the US Open, it's pretty much a wrap on the year, even if one of the others wins the YEC (cause Wimby, Olympic Gold and US Open trumps, their one slam, the YEC, and anything else they won). Sorry.

And if someones fave won the Olympic this year, they would call it the "5th major", touting how important it was, regardless of what they may of said in the past.
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Re: So does this weekend pretty much determine player of the year?

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Yes, and it will be Serena--by a landslide.
Oh, I hope so!
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yes, 2GS proves she is champion but not the POY, for me overall performance on tour is what important when choosing POY, personally i don't like when people(players\fans\journalists\etc..) put GS above the rest of the tour, GS should be pinnacle of the tour but not the only tournament on the tour that matters
Let me try this
How many times has Serena beaten these players in 2012?
Maria, vika, Aga, Petra . Top 5 except Petra
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Re: So does this weekend pretty much determine player of the year?

Probably. And this conversation includes Errani too. Were she to win this on top of her RG final she'd have a very good case.

Never mind that she's already doubles team of the year and favourite to take 2/4 slams.
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Re: So does this weekend pretty much determine player of the year?

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I will admit that Rena is a GOAT if
1) she wins 18 GS
2) she wins her second RG
3) one or two more tour Championships are also necessary

the second point is the most complicated to accomplish for Serena , to my mind
I see that as hard but fair. Winning another French seems an almost impossibility for Serena now, but you never know, she may surprise us -- I personally think she needs 18 and RG, but don't really care about YEC.
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Re: So does this weekend pretty much determine player of the year?

If Serena wins, she has POY on lockdown. It'll be interesting if Maria or Vika win USO but Serena manages to win YEC.
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Re: So does this weekend pretty much determine player of the year?

Can we have this conversation after the USopen? It's pointless to talk about hypothetical.

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Re: So does this weekend pretty much determine player of the year?

The gap in accomplishment between finalist and winner is greater than that between a 1st round loser and a finalist.
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Vika has simply been more impressive overall, no R1/early round slam loss either.
She also hasn't been in a final in almost 6 months and hasn't won a title in almost 8.

Career Grand Slam in your 20s? Been there done that. Career golden slam your 30s?
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She also hasn't been in a final in almost 6 months and hasn't won a title in almost 8.
Yep. Vika's been consistent, but her results since Indian Wells don't scream "PLAYER OF THE YEAR!!!111"

Even if Serena doesn't win this tournament (she will, but still) she's still the only one of the big three who has won titles on all surfaces. Azarenka has won, what, 4 titles this year and all came in the first three months of the year on hard courts and Maria's three titles all came on clay.


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Yep. Vika's been consistent, but her results since Indian Wells don't scream "PLAYER OF THE YEAR!!!111"

Even if Serena doesn't win this tournament (she will, but still) she's still the only one of the big three who has won titles on all surfaces. Azarenka has won, what, 4 titles this year and all came in the first three months of the year on hard courts and Maria's three titles all came on clay.
I don't know if it's her cooling off or everyone else picking up, but I think it's interesting that after starting the year at 26-0, she hasn't been to a final since Madrid.

I would even argue that Maria's having a better year even with 1 less title

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So now Olympics count as a Grand Slam..now that Serena won it ...when for years her stans claimed it was just a glorified exhibition event.

Serena is out of the question for Player of the Year...1R at Roland Garros 4rd Australian Open. The winner of Azarenka/Sharapova should get POY.


Just because u said so don't make it so particularly if they fail to win 2 slams. POY is in the bag for Serena should she lift the 2012 USO trophy. What more, tennis pundist and those that count in tennis world will state exactly just that. They never fail. IT'S HOW THE GAME ROLLS. WATCH AND LEARN.

Lastly, can u show us the thread/post, article, blog or whatever where a Serena fan claimed the Olympics is just a glorified exhibition?
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Re: So does this weekend pretty much determine player of the year?

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Let me try this
How many times has Serena beaten these players in 2012?
Maria, vika, Aga, Petra . Top 5 except Petra
she beat Maria and Vika on fast slippery surfaces(grass , blueclay) and not even managed to reach them on all others


And when speaking about accomplishment H2H is irrelevant. Serena lost in the 1st round of FO and 4th round of AO and can't compensate it with her H2H vs top players.

If Serena wins US Open , her 2012 achievements will be greater than anyone's in the tour this year..

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She also hasn't been in a final in almost 6 months and hasn't won a title in almost 8.
Are you a kid ? Victoria was on rate that she obviously was never going to keep for whole of the season -- you sound ridiculous especially that all the SF Victoria lost this year were against the winner and relative top heavy favorite for the title.

Victoria's last F was in Madrid, on grass she's far from being the top favorite and lost both times to Serena -- since then, she's played one joke match against Paszek and she's yet in another SF in the US Open -- so what exactly is your point, we have no idea.

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Re: So does this weekend pretty much determine player of the year?

This year's USO will bring quite the excitement the WTA needs with three of the top stars of the game literally competing for POY - and I think the winner deserves to have that year-end title...
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