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Where did the game go wrong?

Before Gen Suck fans go on a rant about people blasting those players, I'm not saying we're in the worst era. But we are looking like we're heading for it?

Somewhere along the line the game had to be lost in translation. From the mid-nighties til 07/08 the amount of great players we've seen is second to no era. But if you look at the most prominent teens to burst on the scene we've Venus, Serena, Hingis and Maria.

Each new generation looks at the previous one when building their game and try to improve on it. If you look at Hingis, she was a crafty and instinctive counterpuncher. But it seems that her game was misinterpreted by the coaches and players of the current gen. Counterpunching is taking a hit and landing one back, NOT running around the ring playing 'tag' all day, which is what can be described of Caro and Aga. Granted Caro has a good backhand and Aga does have variety (but it is grossly overrated by this board). The only real counterpuncher is Vika who uses the pace of big blows opponents throw at her aginst them, ROS redirecting in rallies. Although she lacks the intuition Martina had.

Now with the Williams sisters and Masha, yeah they hit the ball hard and maybe when they first broke out it was just hitting it wherever as hard as they could. But now, with Serena and Masha anyway, their game is much more based on precision despite still hitting the ball hard. It seems that the coaches of this gen. interpreted their game as 'blast anywhere and you'll win' leading to the amount of BBB's and UE Queens we have today.

Fact is there are very few players who look like they could make the top 4, and fewer who look like they could stay there for any length of time. While in a few years Vika/Aga/Masha/Petra could be one of the most consistent top 4 the tour has had, what happens next. ATM it looks like nothing. Also, with WTA restrictions on young players (which are good - Tati, Masha's shoulder etc.) there'll be no teen starlet saving the day.

Do you think the state of the tour is a direct result of mistranslating the games of past players, or are we just headed for one big-ass LULL era? Discuss.

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Don't you want it to go wrong? Shouldn't you be happy that it is a little bit wrong?

Because the game going right means that the inconsistent top players, i.e. Vika, Petra & Aga getting consistent (like Pova)

But (as the poster Beat hinted the other day) that would result in Vika, Aga & Petra giving Masha a beatdown which they are capable of if they're consistently at their best :>)
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Re: Where did the game go wrong?

I'm perfectly happy to watch Kvitty and Aga hit gorgeous winners and clever shots against a field of mugs. Just mute the damned shrieking from the top 2 and the tour would be in a golden age, frankly.

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Re: Where did the game go wrong?

We're not talkin about grunting. We're talking about game, and the serious lack there will be in a few years time, and why that is?

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Re: Where did the game go wrong?

Masha's game is less precise than it was when she broke out earlier in the decade. It's one of the reasons she isn't as dominant as she once was.

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Re: Where did the game go wrong?

It happened shortly after the void Henin left in 2008.
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I'm perfectly happy to watch Kvitty and Aga hit gorgeous winners and clever shots against a field of mugs. Just mute the damned shrieking from the top 2 and the tour would be in a golden age, frankly.
yet your petra has not even made a final yet this season among the so called field of mugs...seek help

anyway, the tour is at least on the right track, compared to, say, wozniacki era (09-10). Top players have become more consistent, making to the late stages of almost every tournament on a constant basis.

but yes, since henin left the tour in 08, it's become a chaos with various #1 players, slameless #1 players with inconsistency.

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Re: Where did the game go wrong?

It all started to go wrong when Henin retired in 08, as there was no one to take her place. The Williams sisters didn't play enough to be dominant players, Maria's shoulder saga began, and everyone who touched the #1 ranking afterward saw their career turn to shit. Safina, Jankovic, and Wozniacki reaching #1 and then failing miserably at the majors (not bashing them, it's a fact) brought things to a new low. But the tour is definitely heading in the right direction nowadays. We have a consistent top 3 or 4, but it's still wide open enough to be exciting.


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Yeah but I mean the lack of talent, sorry if phrasing is blunt, in the lower ranked girls is astonishing. You think with the amount of players they had to look up to something more would have been emulated.

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The leaders of this generation are just inferior to previous champions. Radwanska is a poor man's Hingis, Wozniacki is a homeless man's Sanchez Vicario, Vika is a poor man's Capriati and Kvitova/09-current Maria(if we're including her) are poor men's davenports. It looks like they got the idea right, but it's just apparent that all 5 of these players are lacking either the champion's spirit, natural athleticism, or both, and that will keep them from reaching the status of Serena/Venus/Hand/Myth

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Re: Where did the game go wrong?

With Sharapova.

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Yeah but I mean the lack of talent, sorry if phrasing is blunt, in the lower ranked girls is astonishing. You think with the amount of players they had to look up to something more would have been emulated.
If you look at most of the current top juniors they are shrieking one-dimensional power baseline slowpokes. Much like a certain player.
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Re: Where did the game go wrong?

Henin retiring shouldn't really have mattered that much. If you look at the men's side, the players winning all of the slams are a part of the younger generation.

I think that this happened because the girls in this generation grew up listening to their coaches and tennis experts on TV--mostly men who were too ignorant, angry, or apathetic towards the WTA to give an honest evaluation--say that the Williams sisters were all power and athleticism and no tactics. The girls in the younger generation internalized this and thought that all they would have to do would be to go out there and hit hard to win. That's why most of them lack the nuance of the power-player predecessors they looked up to when they were children.

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The leaders of this generation are just inferior to previous champions. Radwanska is a poor man's Hingis, Wozniacki is a homeless man's Sanchez Vicario, Vika is a poor man's Capriati and Kvitova/09-current Maria(if we're including her) are poor men's davenports. It looks like they got the idea right, but it's just apparent that all 5 of these players are lacking either the champion's spirit, natural athleticism, or both, and that will keep them from reaching the status of Serena/Venus/Hand/Myth
Yep. But I guess we had it so good for so long with the amazing Big 4 following the also exciting Hingis/Capriati/etc. generation But the tour is at least more solid than it was for the past 2 years.

The past 4 years should have been dominated by Masha/Ana/Kuznetsova/JJ/Safina but injuries for Masha and way too much unexpected (bc of Henin's retirement) pressure on the latter 4 really ruined their chances. They were supposed to slowly take the mantle but it really went AWOL.
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If you look at most of the current top juniors they are shrieking one-dimensional power baseline slowpokes. Much like a certain player.
This is how I see it too. I don't believe in a sudden lack of talent among juniors. I think the problem is caused by all those girls trying for the last several years to emulate 'bam-shriek-bam-shriek-bammers' instead of putting sustained effort into development of tennis skills that make one a complete tennis player. Tennis, after all, was not supposed to be about serve, athleticism, and hitting the ball with as much power as possible.
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Such a cute thread! So many posters trying so hard to shade players without naming names and failing miserably with extraordinarily inept inuendo: 'bam-shriek-bam-shriek-bammers'.

How about this assertion: "Tennis, after all, was not supposed to be about serve, athleticism, and hitting the ball with as much power as possible." Well what the hell is it about, then? Short dresses, vividly colored panties and tittie teasing as players bend over for ROS?

Tennis is a sport, it is all about athleticism, first and foremost.

The serve is the most important element in tennis, of course tennis is about the serve.

Shot making is tennis and hitting the ball with as much power as necessary to accomplish the player's intention for the stroke is the ideal situation.

I wonder if some posters can even recognize themselves when looking in a mirror.
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