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post #1 of 22 (permalink) Old May 20th, 2012, 11:31 PM Thread Starter
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Who is the real Queen of Rome? JJ vs Masha

Both had title defense in this tournament. Whose Rome domination is more impressive?



(3) JJ
R1 (BYE)
R2 def. (Q) T. Paszek 6-3 6-4
R3 def. A. Bondarenko 6-4 7-5
QF def. (10) E. Dementieva 6-1 6-2
SF def. (14) P. Schnyder 6-1 6-3
F def. (2) S. Kuznetsova 7-5 6-1

No sets dropped, and beat 3 dangerous clay players



(4) JJ
R1 (BYE)
R2 def. F. Pennetta 6-1 6-4
R3 def. M. Kirilenko 6-1 6-1
QF def. (7) V. Williams 5-7 6-2 6-3
SF def. (2) M. Sharapova W/O
F def. (Q) A. Cornet 6-2 6-2

Got a walkover by Sharapova (this was shoulder injury time), probably would've beaten her anyway, but definitely a much easier draw than 2007. Only dropped 1 set to Venus (reigning Wimbledon champion)

Other facts: 6 consecutive QF, broken in 2012 during her epic slump, 3 Finals, beat WS back to back within 24 hours but lost to MJMS of all people




(7) M. Sharapova
def. E. Makarova 6-1 6-1
def. (10) S. Peer 6-2 6-2
def. (7) V. Azarenka 4-6 3-0 ret.
def. (1) C. Wozniacki 7-5 6-3
def. (6) S. Stosur 6-2 6-4

Was losing to Vika before she retired, but overall a strong performance



(2) M. Sharapova
def. C. McHale 7-5 7-5
def. (13) A. Ivanovic 7-6 6-3
def. (WC) V. Williams 6-4 6-3
def. (12) A. Kerber 6-3 6-4
def. (8) N. Li 4-6 6-4 7-6

Not really in particularly good form this whole tournament, playing the final in mud, but yeah! All opponents she faced were all particularly impressive though.

Other facts: 4 nonconsecutive SF (she's only played this tournament 5 times), lost only 2 matches here, (Excluding walkover to JJ)
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1993 Conchita Martínez Gabriela Sabatini 7–5, 6–1
1994 Conchita Martínez Martina Navrátilová 7–6(7–5), 6–4
1995 Conchita Martínez Arantxa Sánchez Vicario 6–3, 6–1
1996 Conchita Martínez Martina Hingis 6–2, 6–3

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Winning back-to-back titles at Rome is a dubious honor.

Since the mid 80s (post-86, when the tournament was not held), we have had the following players defend Rome:
Sabatini (88-89, 91-92)
Martinez (93-96)
Mauresmo (04-05)
Jankovic (07-08)
*Sharapova (11-12), still in with a shot.

None of these players won RG, even though all were considered strong contenders.

The only multiple Rome winners aside from the above are, and they both did it over the span of two different careers:
Hingis (98, 06), "should have won RG" but never did
Seles (90, 00)

So only 1/7 of these players have won RG.

On the other hand, 8 players have won it once. 3 of them - Graf, Pierce, Serena, have won RG.

Granted, the statistics are skewed by the now-defunct Berlin Open, which perennial RG queens Graf and Henin picked over Rome.

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1993 Conchita Martínez Gabriela Sabatini 7–5, 6–1
1994 Conchita Martínez Martina Navrátilová 7–6(7–5), 6–4
1995 Conchita Martínez Arantxa Sánchez Vicario 6–3, 6–1
1996 Conchita Martínez Martina Hingis 6–2, 6–3

Bow down.
I meant more in the lines of active players. Chris Evert has 5 Rome titles i think :P
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Re: Who is the real Queen of Rome? JJ vs Masha

JJ also beat both williams in rome, but lost to MJMS

Sharapova & Pavlyuchenkova
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Re: Who is the real Queen of Rome? JJ vs Masha

If Maria makes a 3rd final we can compare

I just think Jelena beat the better players, when they were actually threats on clay

And although she didn't win her 3rd final, the run that year was the most impressive

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Re: Who is the real Queen of Rome? JJ vs Masha

Masha. No more
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F def. (Q) A. Cornet 6-2 6-2

I'm feelin' they jealous, like I'm Monica Seles.

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Cornet was a strong player back in 2008
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Cornet was a strong player back in 2008
She won Budapest!

I'm feelin' they jealous, like I'm Monica Seles.

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She won Budapest!
And took Serena to 3 sets at the Olympics!

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SF def. (2) M. Sharapova W/O
F def. (Q) A. Cornet 6-2 6-2
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Re: Who is the real Queen of Rome? JJ vs Masha

Jelena, just because she beat Serena and Venus back to back ... oh and then lost to MJMS in the final
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HUH?





These dearies have a long ways to go to be considered queen of the Italian Open!

RIP Elena Baltacha, thank you for dedicating your life to a sport we all love. You'll be missed but never forgotten.
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Re: Who is the real Queen of Rome? JJ vs Masha

Jelena, two titles & final in 2010. (d. Venus & Serena)
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