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Question The curse of being a junior Wimbledon champion

Other than Hingis and Mauresmo, no other winner has gone on to win the Ladies title. In fact, most of them turned out to be no hopers, espically ALL those who won from 2000 until 2011 (except Radwanska who gets a partial credit).

So why do people think this is? I find it quite odd really.
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Re: The curse of being a junior Wimbledon champion

Perhaps this is also a trend at the other slams too?

One time I remember watching Alize Cornet winning RG juniors and thinking she would be a great player, but she hasn't/didn't produce
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A couple of possible factors here. The first would be that a player who wins a junior slam at 17 or 18 is probably not the best player of their generation. If they were, they wouldn't still be playing in the juniors. This is perhaps not so much the case now nut certainly a few years ago it was. When Sharapova won Wimbledon she was younger than that year's junior champion. A 15 year-old junior slam champion is certainly worth watching but an 18 yer-old probably not so much.

Another factor is that, since players only have a few opportunities to win a junior slam, there are more junior champions than senior ones. If you looked at the 27 slams that Serena, Justine and Venus won between them, you'd probably find over 20 different junior champions.
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Perhaps this is also a trend at the other slams too?
It definitely is.
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Perhaps this is also a trend at the other slams too?
Since 1990 only 1 Junior Australian Open Champion has gone on to take any Women's Grand Slam title (Azarenka).

Junior Wimbledon winners actually have the best record in the main draw, with 2 winning (Hingis & Mauresmo)



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Other than Hingis and Mauresmo, no other winner has gone on to win the Ladies title. In fact, most of them turned out to be no hopers, espically ALL those who won from 2000 until 2011 (except Radwanska who gets a partial credit).

So why do people think this is? I find it quite odd really.

Why does Radwanska get a partial credit and Wozniacki doesn't?
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Re: The curse of being a junior Wimbledon champion

junior slam champions who won ANY "real" slam afterwards since 1990:

ao: roddick - azarenka
rg: no men - hingis x2, mauresmo, henin
wimbledon: federer - hingis, mauresmo
uso: roddick - davenport, azarenka

Wimbledon is, therefore, far from unique, and the girls slams seem to be more indicative of future success than the boys. i guess it just shows that being a good junior is nice and everything, and you certainly stand much more chance of success on the tour than if you're a mediocre junior, but it doesn't mean very much in the long run. so many great junior players have totally failed in seniors, or at best had "solid", "decent" careers like zahlavova strycova, flipkens, possibly erakovic, etc.

(btw, i wouldn't quite call dushevina, flipkens, bondarenko or wozniacki "no-hopers". widjaja nearly made the top 50 as well, and salerni's career was ruined by injury. and its hard to write off the winners post-2007 as no-hopers.)

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Why does Radwanska get a partial credit and Wozniacki doesn't?
I was aware of Wozniacki.
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Re: The curse of being a junior Wimbledon champion

Might be equally instructive to look at the achievements in juniors of those who have won slams. Suspect quite a few never really competed on the junior circuit.

Strycova ~ Robson ~ Watson ~ Konta ~ Shvedova

Petkovic ~ Parmentier ~ Swan ~ Errani ~ Vekic ~ Pavlyuchenkova ~ Halep ~ Galfi ~ Riske
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I was aware of Wozniacki.

Then there's no excuse. Tennis existed prior to the 1st of January 2012 and Wozniacki has still achieved *far* more than Radwanska at this stage.
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Re: The curse of being a junior Wimbledon champion

People invest far too much expectation in junior tennis. The level is really night and day compared to the semior tour. There's really no comparison.

The one's that didn't make it, just simply were not good enough. I mean Flipkens was a lauded junior, but it was pretty obvious that her career wouldn't translate into the senior tour, because of the obvious limitations in her game. The name for Lertcheewakarn and many others.
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Might be equally instructive to look at the achievements in juniors of those who have won slams. Suspect quite a few never really competed on the junior circuit.
I think Clijsters, Sharapova and Ivanovic were junior finalists.
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Re: The curse of being a junior Wimbledon champion

Martina Navratilova did not win junior Wimbledon just a finalist.
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Re: The curse of being a junior Wimbledon champion

Venus and Serena never played juniors did they?

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A couple of possible factors here. The first would be that a player who wins a junior slam at 17 or 18 is probably not the best player of their generation. If they were, they wouldn't still be playing in the juniors. This is perhaps not so much the case now nut certainly a few years ago it was. When Sharapova won Wimbledon she was younger than that year's junior champion. A 15 year-old junior slam champion is certainly worth watching but an 18 yer-old probably not so much.

Another factor is that, since players only have a few opportunities to win a junior slam, there are more junior champions than senior ones. If you looked at the 27 slams that Serena, Justine and Venus won between them, you'd probably find over 20 different junior champions.

It sucks when you want to write something, but it's already been posted. Exactly what you said.
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