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The truth: Vika lost in Madrid because of the surface

We've heard it all about the blue clay, but it's true: try playing against a bomb-serving, in-form Serena Williams on a slippery surface where you've got bad footing and can't defend. An impossible task. Vika isn't one to whine and make excuses, but she couldnt play her game plain and simple.

So thats why i'm not worried heading into the FO, which has traditional slow clay, which is why Serena has always struggled on it. Serena is an outstanding front runner, but in Paris somebody (Svetlana, Stosur, Srebotnik, etc) always manages to grind her down in a long match, and Vika still has a great chance to win FO despite her yesterday beatdown.
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Re: The truth: Vika lost in Madrid because of the surface

So the bad footing/slippery surface was always only on Vika's half of the court?

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Re: The truth: Vika lost in Madrid because of the surface

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So the bad footing/slippery surface was always only on Vika's half of the court?
She has better movement, but on this surface this advantage was annihilated .. Same problems had Nadal and especially Djokovic

Surface was perfect for those who can serve 190 km/h. It resembles Wimbledon before 2000 and Serena played like a puncher and didn't find any "Agassi" on her way to the title
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We've heard it all about the blue clay, but it's true: try playing against a bomb-serving, in-form Serena Williams on a slippery surface where you've got bad footing and can't defend. An impossible task.
Not for Federer. He somehow went past Raonic even if Raonic serves much better than Serena.
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Re: The truth: Vika lost in Madrid because of the surface

For God's sake 99.9% of Serena aces+serve winners would have been such even on the most slowest surface since yes, she can come up with a 200km serve but the placement is the key. Vikaria lost coz she is powerless against a big-hitter in-form and unfortunately for her she was against the greatest one.
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Re: The truth: Vika lost in Madrid because of the surface

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We've heard it all about the blue clay, but it's true: try playing against a bomb-serving, in-form Serena Williams on a slippery surface where you've got bad footing and can't defend. An impossible task. Vika isn't one to whine and make excuses, but she couldnt play her game plain and simple.

So thats why i'm not worried heading into the FO, which has traditional slow clay, which is why Serena has always struggled on it. Serena is an outstanding front runner, but in Paris somebody (Svetlana, Stosur, Srebotnik, etc) always manages to grind her down in a long match, and Vika still has a great chance to win FO despite her yesterday beatdown.
I definitely agree the surface favored Serena in this case, but I´m not sure Vika could have won on real clay. Scoreline would have been closer, thats for sure. (not like thats a big ask, lol.)
Also, their current form is very different, Azarenka is in slow downward spiral, playing worse and worse since AO and IW, while Serena just started to gain some form in Miami and Charleston. Easy to say who is more rested, and fresh.

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Re: The truth: Vika lost in Madrid because of the surface

Vika lost because Serena is a better player. She might not be 61 63 better, but yesterday she def. was.
Serena can serve extremely well, so Vika's great returns don't see the light of the day.
Serena can return extremely well, and Vika's serve can't neutralize those returns.
Vika didn't/doesn't stand a chance when returning nor when serving. Then it is impossible to win a tennis match!


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Re: The truth: Vika lost in Madrid because of the surface

Hilarious stuff. So it was nothing to do with Vika's abysmal serving and returning, it was the surface. Glad that has been cleared up

Serena has now aced Victoria at will at Wimbledon, USO, AO & Madrid Clay. As much as pressed fans of Martha and Vika are praying, RG does not change the speed of serve that much. A I said in another thread, due to the atmosphere and balls used at RG, the serve actually flies quite fast through the air until the bounce.

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Re: The truth: Vika lost in Madrid because of the surface

I dont know, I sort of feel she lost because of SERENA


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Re: The truth: Vika lost in Madrid because of the surface

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He somehow went past Raonic even if Raonic serves much better than Serena
Federer has one of the best service in ATP , not the fastest but with the best direction .....

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Vika lost because Serena is a better player. She might not be 61 63 better, but yesterday she def. was.Serena can serve extremely well, so Vika's great returns don't see the light of the day.
it is also true , she neither could return Sharapova's serves nor could Serena's in this finals
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Surface will ALWAYS be a factor when two players meet. There's no excuse for losing a 6-1 set against anyone, as the #1 player in the world.
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so the surface made Azarenka serve up to 3 double faults in 1 service game huh

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Re: The truth: Vika lost in Madrid because of the surface

On 'real' clay, would Vika even have been in the final? She had to beat 3 Garros champions to get there.

She adapted well to the surface, and was playing at a decent standard in this tournament - ok, not at the searing level of the first few months of this year.

The truth is, Serena's A-game is well nigh unbeatable, for any current player, on any surface.
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Re: The truth: Vika lost in Madrid because of the surface

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I dont know, I sort of feel she lost because of SERENA
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