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The Enigma of Caro Haters

Ever since I joined this board I’ve been constantly astonished at the hatred and animus directed by what seems like a majority of members on this board towards Caroline Wozniacki. Why one time in a thread I saw one poster proclaim with evident pride that he/she was a Caro hater long before it became fashionable to be one. (BTW I have to say he/she as I can no longer recall the moniker of this disdainful member)

Surely there is no denying that Caroline Wozniacki is an attractive person, with a winning public persona and is very successful at her sport; and yet she seems to be reviled by apparently as I said a majority on this board. But it is not only this board that does not respect her but it is the tennis establishment as well. Typically, I recall one match in this year’s AO (possibly the first match against a lamentable opponent-whose identity, I’m too lazy to look up and ascertain) where Chris Evert went on and on pointing out the deficiencies in Caro’s game. Even Chris became eventually aware that she was going overboard on her negativity as she had to sheepishly acknowledge that Caro was having no problem in this match and was winning handily.

The disdain by the expert television tennis commentators for Caro was very evident this week in her two matches against Serena and Maria. You could sense that in the Serena match there was high expectation for Serena to prevail to set up a highly anticipated Maria and Serena confrontation. (On this board in the prediction thread; I believe that over 80% of the respondents expected Serena to prevail).

During this match, there was virtually no comment lauding any of the points won by Caro. Yes I know Serena hit a ton of UEs traditionally leaving little scope for praise, but I maintain most of those UEs were as a result of Caro returning balls that would have been winners against most players on the tour. Rarely was one of Serena’s UE a real gift to Caro. Much was made that Serena played poorly but I did not see that. Caro simply won because she was the better player.

Now in the Maria match, there was no such a prior consensus that Maria would automatically prevail. I guess most commentators would recall Caro’s convincing wins against Maria in the ’10 USO and ’11 IW, and hence the prior unpredictability. Still there was the feeling that the match was on Maria’s racquet. And Maria did play well and ergo won the match. Still though it was a three setter; a very close match. Again no one noticed Caro’s grit in that she was behind two service breaks in each set and still made a contest of it.

I truly think the Maria match together with the Serena match should put paid to the notion that Caro cannot win a slam. The knock against Caro is that she will not win a slam because power players like those two would blow her out of the court. As the Maria match proves Caro is difficult to defeat even when holding a two service breaks advantage. I would also like to point out that Caro was career victories against every current slam title holder. I’m convinced by this time next year Caro will have a slam victory under her belt; most likely either the USO or the AO.

One final thing for you Caro haters to ponder: when I started to watch the Caro-Serena match a factoid was revealed that I had not previously been aware of. Caro’s 67 weeks as No 1 is more than half the total of Serena’s time as No 1 of 123 weeks. And Serena has been year-end No 1 twice- a total ready matched by Caro. Of course this is probably an apples to oranges argument and I am not suggesting Caro is in Serena’s league- certainly not yet. Still this does suggest that Caro is not a schlep that you haters make her out to be.
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Why does she has so many haters (as you say, I would say that people here find her quite irrelevant ) if she the case is that - "Surely there is no denying that Caroline Wozniacki is an attractive person, with a winning public"?
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Wozniacki is a Klitchko in tennis , absolutely not interesting to watch her play at all. She is not entertaining as her tennis is poor

Fans are not watching the scoreboard , but watching the play on the court
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She does have a fan forum you know?
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She does have a fan forum you know?
She is pretty girl , of course she can have a number of fans

but not fans of her tennis

I know they won't agree with me but it's true

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As the Maria match proves Caro is difficult to defeat even when holding a two service breaks advantage.
not at all , for Masha is always harder win her serve when score is 5-1 than 6-5 on tiebreak )) Masha should be in a very tough fight so not to lose concentraction
same problem is with 40-0 on her serve.

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She is pretty girl , of course she can have a number of fans

but not fans of her tennis

I know they won't agree with me but it's true
Of course her fans like the way she's playing! Personally, I think the most watchable tennis games are between two players where one has a great aggressive game and the other one is a great counterpuncher. That's why Caro's matches against players like Serena, Sharapova and Kvitova are always excellent entertainment.

OP, the hatred towards Caro only has one reason: her massive success over the past few years. Now that she's experiencing a slump the bias against her is not nearly as strong as before. Vika is the next target for TF's many bitter members...
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You talking bout Bitchniacki?
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Her game is boring (just keep the ball in play...), even in her "convincing" wins against big players, she doesn't do much, just let them self destruct on their own UE. People like seeing aggressive tennis and screaming winners, not endless rallying and high balls.

Her personality is also fake, created by her PR team. Everyone cries about Serena being a bitch, but Wozniacki is no different, she just says a couple of sweet words in broken English and the media is on the hook.
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If your goal is to reduce the amount of bilge directed towards Woz in TF, starting a topic like this was the worst thing you could have possibly done.

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But it is not only this board that does not respect her but it is the tennis establishment as well.
You answered your own question right there. If the disapproval is so unanimous, it obviously means there is something wrong with her game, that doesn't justify her successes. As the saying goes: "there is no smoke without fire". If there were real talent, it would be obvious to all as well.

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That's why Caro's matches against players like Serena, Sharapova and Kvitova are always excellent entertainment.
excellent because of Sharapova and her 50 Winners, not because her opponent is collecting her UE in points

News editors sometimes can hardly find any rally with Wozniacki winner to put it in the highlights of the match)))
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If your goal is to reduce the amount of bilge directed towards Woz in TF, starting a topic like this was the worst thing you could have possibly done.
Pretty Much,

Any attention you draw on here in regards to her only snowballs the issue at hand.
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I think it has a lot to do with her talent not justifying her success, her ridiculous amount of weeks at #1 without even making a major final, her relentless grapple on the #1 ranking when she barely has top 10 game. People aren't excited to watch her play unless she's playing a huge star-- that says it all really. Her personality also comes off as very contrived and fake. She's also ubiquitous and replaceable.

What else do you need?
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OK haters suppose I do concede her game is boring but I maintain that is not a compelling reason to hate her. And this rationale seems only to exist in women’s tennis and is an incomprehensible emotion in any other sport. Let me give an example from American football and for those of you unfamiliar with the sport bear with me as I think you’ll still understand my argument.

The Baltimore Ravens won the Super Bowl one year despite playing the most unexciting football imaginable. Their quarterback, the most important position on any football team was conceded to be mediocre at best, and probably wouldn’t be first string on most of the other teams in the league. Their strength was their defense as they sure did not have an offense that would scare you; sound familiar.

The fans of the opposing teams did not hate the Ravens; they just wanted their team to beat the Ravens. If the Ravens prevailed the opposing fans did not bellyache that the Ravens played an unexciting brand of football. If their team did beat the Ravens those fans did not feel it was justification that their team had a superior style of play; those fans were just grateful that their team was able to outplay the Ravens.

And yet in women’s tennis the consensus seems that Caro has no skills to speak of. She cannot win; she has to rely on her opponents to give the game to her. One of the most ubiquitous comments I heard made by the various television commentators during the time Caro was No 1 went something like this: “It’s not Caro’s fault that Serena and Clijsters are injured and no one has risen to the top to play tennis consistently like her.”

I recall once that Andrea Petkovic in an interview praised Caro and suggested she was a very strong player very difficult to beat. Considering the reaction on this forum to those comments one would have thought Andrea had spouted out some dreadful heresy. So strong has been Wozniacki phobia that even I’m taken by surprise when some tennis pundit actually lauds her. This happened once when I was watching a match between Kanepi and the Woz on streaming ESPN3. The commentator, whose name I did not catch, listed all the strengths that Caro possesses as a player and I was just amazed as I simply had not heard the same articulated before.

I had one Caro hater in another thread, once with serious and apparently authentic conviction opine that it is much more important how a point is won than to win the point. Such sentiment logically may explain the hatred but it ignores the fact that tennis is an objective sport with no bonuses given to artistic merit. An UE counts the same as a Winner.
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I think it has a lot to do with her talent not justifying her success, her ridiculous amount of weeks at #1 without even making a major final, her relentless grapple on the #1 ranking when she barely has top 10 game. People aren't excited to watch her play unless she's playing a huge star-- that says it all really. Her personality also comes off as very contrived and fake. She's also ubiquitous and replaceable.

What else do you need?
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