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"The Greatest Generation" : Making The Case

I have been thinking about this for awhile and decided to give it a try to day.

I argue that the generation of Venus-Serena-Kim-Henin-Capriati-Maria-Davenport-Hingis and their supporting cast is the greatest generation of tennis.
This is modeled after the Greatest Generation in the USA, which the Generation of World War II and they contribution to the United States progress in the 2nd half of the 20th century.

Yes, I am aware, it is pretentious to compare tennis players to World War II soldiers who sacrificed themselves ans gave so much for their country, so let keep it in tennis universe.

What was tennis before, its perception and what it has become.



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I want to make the case that Venus-Serena-Kim-Henin-Capriati-Maria-Davenport-Hingis-Dementiava-Myskina-Pierce-Mauresmo-Kuznetsova can be named The Greatest Generation Of Tennis

This is the generation that took tennis from country club in the west and privileged party member in the east, to a truly popular sport in the world.
This generation includes the Russian Revolution led by Myskina, Dementieva, Saharpova, Kuztnesova…, too numerous to list all.


This era also oversaw the emergence of small countries that produced outstanding talents, Kim and Justine in Belgium, Ana and Jelena in Serbia, both not known for tennis talent in the past

Serbia is the most remarkable story, for just few years, the country had gone an harrowing experience of war and violence, and yet these players came out of that situation and still excelled in this sport



In the USA, Venus and Serena not only show the world a different face of the sport, but they democratize just by being seen on Center Court in Wimbledon, Rod Laver Arena, Court Central at Roland Garros and Arthur Ashe Stadium.

Suddenly girls in Harlem, The Bronx and other areas traditionally on the other side of the track in tennis terms, now find tennis accessible, not necessary because the local public park has added new tennis courts, but by identification with the several players on the WTA tour



During this era, Tennis became truly democratized, expanding in eastern and central Europe, Asia.

Today, girls in India, Taiwan, China, Thailand etc.. think they truly have a chance to hoist a Wimbledon trophy someday.
This kind of dream is no longer reserved for others as it was case 25-30 years back


Even though Africa, at the exception of South Africa and Zimbabwe has not produced a competitive player yet, it is not for lack of trying. venus, Serena, maria are all popular in capital cities of Africa; of course football is still king, but girls are really not in football


One of the refreshing development is that the time has passed where the only players from Eastern Europe were those who defected to the west seeking political asylum. Those countries now develop their own home grown talents


This is truly the Greatest Generation.


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The original Greatest Generation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greatest_Generation

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This, undoubtedly the greatest generation. The question is, when did that era truly end? Henin's retirement?

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I'd say it will end when the William Sisters retire.
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This, undoubtedly the greatest generation. The question is, when did that era truly end? Henin's retirement?
When the last of Venus-Kim-Serena retire.

Maria will close the door for good.

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Yes, the first 3, I am not sure Caro is part of this generation.

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Serbia had big champions even before the war. Monica Seles is Serbian, Slobodan Živojinović also... Please, don't make it like we are walking on the streets in search for foud, while guns are blazing all over the place
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I agree

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Serbia had big champions even before the war. Monica Seles is Serbian, Slobodan Živojinović also... Please, don't make it like we are walking on the streets in search for foud, while guns are blazing all over the place
That is not what I meant. I thought I was actually poaying tribute to Serbian people dermination and drive.
I ahve heard story about Ana circumstances , and just last Sunday on US biggest new magazine show, Novak Djokovic gwa profiled and he alluded to difficulties of training as little boy during the war.

That was my intent, I did not mean to demean Serbia and its people and I don't think that what I did.


As for Monica, and people in her circumsnatnces, I made the point clearly that, no longer, would east european defect to the west just to have a career in tennis.
I just want conclude by saying you need to read my post very carefully, you are not giving it a faire read.

And please contribute, if you can to the main topic.

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That is not what I meant. I thought I was actually poaying tribute to Serbian people dermination and drive.
I ahve heard story about Ana circumstances , and just last Sunday on US biggest new magazine show, Novak Djokovic gwa profiled and he alluded to difficulties of training as little boy during the war.

That was my intent, I did not mean to demean Serbia and its people and I don't think that what I did.
Oh, the "pool training" Don't talk about that too please. It's so exagerated. Ana actually trained in Switzerland for most of her serious training life. Jelena in Florida, Novak was all over Europe. So those circumstances weren't that bad

Serbian people do have "defiance" that makes us good at sports, but don't make it look like we were tortured in wars for years. You have a point, but enough with the war... Serbia is a great and relaxed place. Come to Belgrade and you will see what I'm talking about :wave:
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Oh, the "pool training" Don't talk about that too please. It's so exagerated. Ana actually trained in Switzerland for most of her serious training life. Jelena in Florida, Novak was all over Europe. So those circumstances weren't that bad

Serbian people do have "defiance" that makes us good at sports, but don't make it look like we were tortured in wars for years. You have a point, but enough with the war... Serbia is a great and relaxed place. Come to Belgrade and you will see what I'm talking about :wave:
I don't want to make this about Serbia.
I was impressed with Novak interview on "60 miniutes" as he describes the circumstances during thetime he was gowing up and dreaming to be a tennis player.
So even if we discount the level of suffering and hardship, for a small country like Serbia, it is still a major accomplishment to Have Ana and Jelea thrive at high level in the WTA.
That is my point.

Now, can you contribute to the main topic of the thread? AndI'll come and visit Serbia?

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I don't want to make this about Serbia.
I was impressed with Novak interview on "60 miniutes" as he describes the circumstances during thetime he was gowing up and dreaming to be a tennis player.
So even if we discount the level of suffering and hardship, for a small country like Serbia, it is still a major accomplishment to Have Ana and Jelea thrive at high level in the WTA.
That is my point.

Now, can contribute to the main topic of the thread?
"Serbia is the most remarkable story, for just few years, the country had gone an harrowing experience of war and violence, and yet these players came out of that situation and still excelled in this sport."

So, that what you wrote. When someone reads that it turns out that we have been bashed and on and on and on. So, I tell you it's not the case. It's exagerated. Fact. And I added that we had big champions in the past too, so it's not like Ana and Jelena "showed tennis to Serbia". Several Top 100 players (Nacuk, Jecmenica, SELEŠ...). I just have to correct you, since this a good topic.

Also I don't think the generation you named took the tennis out of the country clubs and the West. There were some great Romanians before, Bulgarians and once again Monika Seleš, born in Novi Sad (Serbia). Serena-Justine-Venus-Amelie-The Russians have popularized this sports. It's very important to note that the beautiful Russians, especially Maria and Kournikova, are one of the reasons why this sport has "thrived". Beauty in womens sport is very important... And on and on and on...they aren't the greatest, but are a part of the most competitive time in tennis!
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"Serbia is the most remarkable story, for just few years, the country had gone an harrowing experience of war and violence, and yet these players came out of that situation and still excelled in this sport."

So, that what you wrote. When someone reads that it turns out that we have been bashed and on and on and on. So, I tell you it's not the case. It's exagerated. Fact. And I added that we had big champions in the past too, so it's not like Ana and Jelena "showed tennis to Serbia". Several Top 100 players (Nacuk, Jecmenica, SELEŠ...). I just have to correct you, since this a good topic.

Also I don't think the generation you named took the tennis out of the country clubs and the West. There were some great Romanians before, Bulgarians and once again Monika Seleš, born in Novi Sad (Serbia). Serena-Justine-Venus-Amelie-The Russians have popularized this sports. It's very important to note that the beautiful Russians, especially Maria and Kournikova, are one of the reasons why this sport has "thrived". Beauty in womens sport is very important... And on and on and on...they aren't the greatest, but are a part of the most competitive time in tennis!
Sorry, they are part of generation of tennis players who are know all over the world.
This is not about Serbia, it is about Serbia's contribution to the Greatest Gneration. I am not trying to argue with you that Serbia did not have great players in the past, but we can agree they did not have the notoriety of being part of ageneration like the one I describe.
Again, I am not trying to disparage Serbia. I wish you could see Novak's interview


Please, please, can we get back to the main topic?

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Sorry, they are part of generation of tennis players who are know all over the world.
This is not about Serbia, it is about Serbia's contribution to the Greatest Gneration. I am not trying to argue with you that Serbia did not have great players in the past, but we can agree they did not have the notoriety of being part of ageneration like the one I describe.
Again, I am not trying to disparage Serbia. I wish you could see Novak's interview


Please, please, can we get back to the main topic?
Second part of my post is about the topic
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