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Oldest-ever-records: Date vs Navratilova

Which is a bigger achievement: Doubles Top 10 with 48 years or Singles Top 50 with 40 years?



Navratilova was # 6 in the doubles ranking when she was 48 years old and played the final match of her career in 2006 US Open mixed doubles final (became oldest woman to win a Grand Slam title, a month short of 50th birthday - won w/B.Bryan).

She won 12 doubles titles after her comeback: 2006 - Strasbourg (w/Huber), Montréal (w/Petrova); 2005 - Toronto (w/Groenefeld); 2004 - Vienna (w/Raymond); 2003 - Gold Coast, Dubai, Rome, Toronto, Leipzig (all w/Kuznetsova), Sarasota (w/Huber), Philadelphia (w/Raymond); 2002 - Madrid (w/Zvereva).

Plus 3 mixed doubles Grand Slam titles plus a doubles Grand Slam final.

Plus Navratilova became the oldest woman to win a singles match in Open Era (47 years, 8 months) in Wimbledon 2004: 6-0 6-1 vs Cataliana Castano.



Kimiko Date won the title in Seoul 2009 at 38y/11m/30d and was second-oldest player in Open Era to win a WTA title after Billie Jean King (who won 1983 Birmingham at 39y/7m/23d). Her win over Stosur in Oasaka 2010 made her first 40-something ever to beat a Top 10 player, also become oldest player ever to beat a Top 10 player by defeating Safina at the French Open 2010. Reached Top 50 for a short time. Currently # 78 and she will turn 42 this autumn!

Some great matches - esp. in autumn 2010 where she was 5-2 against Top 20 players in (d. No.20 Pavlyuchenkova, No.15 Sharapova, No.8 Stosur, No.13 Peer and No.11 Li) but also some disappointing losses.

Also Date is # 54 in the doubles ranking winning only her second doubles title in Osaka last year.
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Re: Oldest-ever-records: Date vs Navratilova

I actually believe that Navratilova would have been able to reach singles Top 50 after her comeback if only she had played more singles tournaments. But she didn't because she didn't want to ruin her own name. She would have won some matches but would have been hammered by the top players. And in doubles she was always capable of winning the title!
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Re: Oldest-ever-records: Date vs Navratilova

As much as I like Date, if Navratilova was playing more single tournaments in her return, she could have achieved more or less same ranking as Date (top-50/60)

And being quite older than Kimiko is now...

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Re: Oldest-ever-records: Date vs Navratilova

Doubles Top 10 with 48 years. WAD.

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Re: Oldest-ever-records: Date vs Navratilova

Kimiko's come back story is unbelievable but comparing with Nav is tough.
Nav is one of the greatest tennis player ever and she played until 37 or something right?
And she often played exhibition match even after retiring.

But Kimiko, she retired at 25yo and had 12 years absence.
Among the period she only played 2 exhibition match with Graff
and other than that she basically never played tennis.

++++ About doubles

Kimiko was never a serious doubles player and remember,
she's pairing with young Zheng not Huber or Raymond.
Nav is the greatest doubles player ever and paired up with strong names.

If 40yo Kimiko & 48yo Nav played,
I think Kimiko has a big chance to win but it's not the case...
Maybe comparing with men's Muster case is fair for Kimiko and of course
Kimiko's comeback story surpass his achivement which is almost nothing.

But that's the reality for most of the 40something ex-pro tennis player.
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They are both great, but Navratilova is the greatest.
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Re: Oldest-ever-records: Date vs Navratilova

Someone should bump this thread in 15 years time, when Jill Craybas will be the oldest in Top 50
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Re: Oldest-ever-records: Date vs Navratilova

When it comes to fitness Kimiko is amazing! She still looks in better shape than a lot of other players.

But it's really hard to compare her success and her way to play to Navratilova's.

Even 20 % of a peak Navratilova is enough to win a doubles title

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